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2016-11-10 06:51:17 GMT <Dirk23> DeKoch: comming in an getting out all the time

2016-11-10 07:41:24 GMT <Tichodroma> DeKoch: please check your connection

2016-11-10 07:57:36 GMT <DeKoch> will do Tichodrama, it is not the connection, it is my Mac sleeping and waking up due to network activity

2016-11-10 07:57:58 GMT <DeKoch> I really need to end the application before sending the mac to sleep

2016-11-10 07:58:09 GMT <ycoulon> Hi there

2016-11-10 08:01:23 GMT <ycoulon> hi fcorti, is the tech talk live available on youtube ? couldn't watch it live.

2016-11-10 08:01:41 GMT <fcorti> good morning ycoulon, yes sure

2016-11-10 08:01:53 GMT <fcorti> let me check and I'll put the link also here

2016-11-10 08:02:00 GMT <ycoulon> ok thank you

2016-11-10 08:20:19 GMT <twen> 'morning o/

2016-11-10 08:29:06 GMT <fcorti> ycoulon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReMhkfV8G3g

2016-11-10 08:29:17 GMT <ycoulon> Thanks fcorti

2016-11-10 08:29:27 GMT <fcorti> You are welcome ycoulon

2016-11-10 08:30:06 GMT <yreg> Morning everyone !

2016-11-10 08:31:40 GMT <bhagyas> Good morning yreg

2016-11-10 08:41:31 GMT <bhagyas> Good morning angelborroy

2016-11-10 08:42:03 GMT <angelborroy> hey bhagyas, aren’t you at Oracle day?

2016-11-10 08:42:41 GMT <bhagyas> angelborroy: I was there yesterday

2016-11-10 08:42:46 GMT <angelborroy> oops!

2016-11-10 08:42:53 GMT <angelborroy> and how it goes?

2016-11-10 08:42:58 GMT <bhagyas> it was pretty cool

2016-11-10 08:43:57 GMT <bhagyas> They have quite an interesting platform offering and compared with AWS and related..it looks to be a very good competitor in terms of pricing

2016-11-10 08:44:39 GMT <angelborroy> good news, Amazon is great but very expensive

2016-11-10 08:45:04 GMT <bhagyas> Also the guy who was heading Cloud Platform Development at Oracle was also there..apparently, he was one of the leads at Azure platform as well - called it Cloud 2.0 since they could avoid the bad things about Azure and AWS when building OCP

2016-11-10 08:45:43 GMT <angelborroy> hehe, it remembers me to a guy called John Newton ;-)

2016-11-10 08:46:17 GMT <bhagyas> yeah..interestingly Nuxeo uses John Newton as a point to encourage people not to use Alfresco ;)

2016-11-10 08:46:41 GMT <bhagyas> I like him though, even though he looks disappointed about not being able to make a good exit from Alfresco

2016-11-10 08:48:24 GMT <angelborroy> Definitively I like John also, I’d like to know what if Alfresco was still an English company instead of this US spin off

2016-11-10 08:49:13 GMT <bhagyas> From what I felt, moving to US was in order to go for an IPO, where two CEOs have spectacularly failed

2016-11-10 08:49:36 GMT <bhagyas> would be interesting to see if there are any financials available in public

2016-11-10 08:51:25 GMT <bhagyas> they could still take the Redhat route which is a good thing..but the California mindset they have added should possibly prevent that from happening

2016-11-10 08:52:05 GMT <Loftux> Here is some info om Alfresco Software LTD https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/04429260 but it doesn't tell the full story

2016-11-10 08:52:07 GMT <alfbot> Title: ALFRESCO SOFTWARE LIMITED - Overview (free company information from Companies House) (at beta.companieshouse.gov.uk)

2016-11-10 08:53:48 GMT <angelborroy> at least, Alfresco is now “protected” by Trump as is an US software :D

2016-11-10 08:54:08 GMT <bhagyas> :P

2016-11-10 08:54:19 GMT <bhagyas> We still have LXCommunity for those who want a pre-trump fork :p

2016-11-10 08:56:29 GMT <Loftux> Alfresco Holdings https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/04429285

2016-11-10 08:56:31 GMT <alfbot> Title: ALFRESCO HOLDINGS LIMITED - Overview (free company information from Companies House) (at beta.companieshouse.gov.uk)

2016-11-10 08:57:54 GMT <bhagyas> Interesting how UK private companies are able to keep most details secret, despite you need to file the company information..in Sweden..everything is public..including everyones phone number and birthday

2016-11-10 08:58:08 GMT <bhagyas> and home address

2016-11-10 08:58:09 GMT <bhagyas> :D

2016-11-10 09:00:48 GMT <digcat> there this also http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=51763805

2016-11-10 09:00:49 GMT <alfbot> Title: Alfresco Advertising Ltd.: Private Company Information - Businessweek (at www.bloomberg.com)

2016-11-10 09:02:22 GMT <digcat> morning all, although dropping off now ! have a good day in this Trump new world

2016-11-10 09:02:40 GMT <bhagyas> didn't know Alfresco was located in Cayman islands :p

2016-11-10 09:03:08 GMT <Loftux> Interesting numbers for Alfresco Holdings 2015: 183 employees, only 72 of those is Dev+r&D. 100 is sales!

2016-11-10 09:03:25 GMT <bhagyas> Sales ftw

2016-11-10 09:03:26 GMT <bhagyas> :p

2016-11-10 09:04:23 GMT <digcat> oops this one :) http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=22725752

2016-11-10 09:04:24 GMT <alfbot> Title: Alfresco Software, Inc.: Private Company Information - Businessweek (at www.bloomberg.com)

2016-11-10 09:04:29 GMT <Loftux> Turnover $71 millions, loss 12,6

2016-11-10 09:04:50 GMT <bhagyas> digcat: Interesting that Doug Dennerline is running a Classified advertising site run by Alfresco advertising in Cayman islands xD

2016-11-10 09:04:56 GMT <digcat> hehe

2016-11-10 09:05:09 GMT <bhagyas> https://ecaytrade.com

2016-11-10 09:05:11 GMT <alfbot> Title: Cayman Islands Free Classifieds | EcayTrade (at ecaytrade.com)

2016-11-10 09:05:19 GMT <bhagyas> So this is owned by Alfresco O_O

2016-11-10 09:06:14 GMT <bhagyas> "Alfresco Advertising Ltd. operates as a marketing, publishing, and training company in Cayman Islands. The company engages in creating advertising and marketing ideas, brand development, graphic design, Web site design and development, and the development of guerilla marketing strategies. It also publishes Ecay, a printed business Web directory, which allows users to access information about the Cayman Islands. The company was founded i

2016-11-10 09:06:14 GMT <bhagyas> http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=1136839

2016-11-10 09:06:14 GMT <bhagyas> Chief Executive Officer

2016-11-10 09:06:14 GMT <bhagyas> Age: 57

2016-11-10 09:06:15 GMT <alfbot> Title: Stocks - Bloomberg (at www.bloomberg.com)

2016-11-10 09:06:46 GMT <Loftux> bhagyas: He doesn't want to pay US taxes…

2016-11-10 09:07:26 GMT <Dirk23_> hey, i added a a script in crontab wich @reboot should perform /opt/alfresco-community/alfresco.sh start

2016-11-10 09:07:34 GMT <Dirk23_> but it doesnt start @reboot

2016-11-10 09:07:39 GMT <bhagyas> I was always wondering why Doug didn't even mention @Alfresco in his twitter bio..and now I think he is more proud of the Cayman classifieds site :p

2016-11-10 09:07:50 GMT <Dirk23_> is there a Upstartscript available for ubuntu

2016-11-10 09:08:39 GMT <Loftux> Dirk23_: There is here for 14.04 and 16.04 https://github.com/loftuxab/alfresco-ubuntu-install

2016-11-10 09:08:40 GMT <alfbot> Title: GitHub - loftuxab/alfresco-ubuntu-install: Alfresco script based install for Ubuntu (at github.com)

2016-11-10 09:09:00 GMT <Dirk23_> uh, can i update to 16.04?

2016-11-10 09:09:47 GMT <Loftux> Dirk23_: Assuming you have the skills, yes ;)

2016-11-10 09:09:53 GMT <Dirk23_> ^^

2016-11-10 09:10:06 GMT <Dirk23_> wich skills? do-release-upgrade :)

2016-11-10 09:10:21 GMT <Dirk23_> Loftux: This is the Script: https://github.com/loftuxab/alfresco-ubuntu-install/blob/master/scripts/alfresco-service.sh

2016-11-10 09:10:21 GMT <alfbot> Title: alfresco-ubuntu-install/alfresco-service.sh at master · loftuxab/alfresco-ubuntu-install · GitHub (at github.com)

2016-11-10 09:10:52 GMT <bhagyas> Good morning mrks_js

2016-11-10 09:10:53 GMT <Loftux> Dirk23_: you also need the tomcat/alfresco.service

2016-11-10 09:12:48 GMT <bhagyas> Is anyone using Spring AOP in Alfresco projects?

2016-11-10 09:13:09 GMT <Dirk23_> Loftux: now i am confused.. Who can i have 2 Scripts with the same name in /etc/init.d/ ??

2016-11-10 09:17:24 GMT <AFaust> bhagyas: Well - I am quite extensively using AOP and it is using the Spring stuff for it, but I am not using any fancy-pants annotation-based AOP handling that spring-aop may provide...

2016-11-10 09:18:45 GMT <AFaust> too much annotation based byte-code wiring is evil since it can hardly be adapted / adjusted externally

2016-11-10 09:19:07 GMT <bhagyas> :|

2016-11-10 09:19:20 GMT <bhagyas> Annotations are not evil :|

2016-11-10 09:19:59 GMT <bhagyas> Do you have any projects in open I have have a look at

2016-11-10 09:20:40 GMT <bhagyas> any as in any AOP projects

2016-11-10 09:20:46 GMT <mrks_js> Hej bhagyas! : )

2016-11-10 09:25:38 GMT <Loftux> Dirk23_: For 16.04 alfresco.service for the systemd, alfresco-service.sh to be place where you like (except init.d). Not the same name. last one just a wrapper script-

2016-11-10 09:28:54 GMT <AFaust> bhagyas: No - I'd have to recreate most of the stuff I did when working at PRODYNA.

2016-11-10 09:30:13 GMT <AFaust> And yes - annotations in itself are not evil. Only "too much annotation based byte-code wiring" - it is the same as "private" method visibility, a pain to work around when it is not working correctly / required for sepcific use cases and you have to deal with someone elses mess...

2016-11-10 09:36:28 GMT <Dirk23_> Loftux: i could manage to get along with /opt/alfresco-community/alfresco.sh start

2016-11-10 09:36:35 GMT <Dirk23_> i forgot to +x the file :)

2016-11-10 09:37:13 GMT <bhagyas> AFaust: I agree with that

2016-11-10 10:21:23 GMT <mbui> Hey, I noticed that associations are not versioned in alfresco. What I tried to do instead is to copy the associations to a property of type d:noderef. However this property seemed to not get versioned correctly either. Any ideas?

2016-11-10 10:40:52 GMT <fwu> hi people!

2016-11-10 10:51:36 GMT <fwu> people does Alfresco 4.2.f supports other database systems like SQL server or Oracle?

2016-11-10 10:52:06 GMT <fwu> is there out of the box database scripts for these databases, or it is not so simple?

2016-11-10 10:54:06 GMT <fcorti> fwu bundled it doesn't support them, I remember in previous versions some projects/patches/tips to make it work... but are you sure you want to do it?

2016-11-10 10:54:29 GMT <angelborroy> fwu use at your own risk https://github.com/krumboeck/oracle-alfresco

2016-11-10 10:54:30 GMT <alfbot> Title: GitHub - krumboeck/oracle-alfresco: Oracle Server support for Alfresco Community (at github.com)

2016-11-10 10:54:54 GMT <angelborroy> fwu I was using this some years ago and I decided not to use unsupported databases for Alfresco CE from that “experience"

2016-11-10 10:59:08 GMT <fwu> angelborroy, so what are the supoorted alfresco databases (4.2.f)?

2016-11-10 10:59:25 GMT <angelborroy> PostgreSQL, MySQL and Maria DB

2016-11-10 10:59:53 GMT <angelborroy> https://community.alfresco.com/docs/DOC-6211-alfresco-community-42f-release-notes

2016-11-10 10:59:54 GMT <alfbot> Title: Alfresco Community 4.2.f Release Notes | Alfresco Community (at community.alfresco.com)

2016-11-10 11:00:02 GMT <fwu> ok, nice

2016-11-10 11:00:05 GMT <angelborroy> Not really: PostgreSQL 9.2.4 and MySQL 5.5

2016-11-10 11:00:19 GMT <fwu> is it the same in 5.1?

2016-11-10 11:00:39 GMT <angelborroy> let me see…

2016-11-10 11:00:45 GMT <angelborroy> https://community.alfresco.com/docs/DOC-6297-alfresco-community-edition-201605-ga-release-notes

2016-11-10 11:00:46 GMT <alfbot> Title: Alfresco Community Edition 201605 GA Release Notes | Alfresco Community (at community.alfresco.com)

2016-11-10 11:00:58 GMT <angelborroy> MySQL 5.6 or PostgreSQL 9.4.4

2016-11-10 11:01:02 GMT <angelborroy> more or less the same

2016-11-10 11:02:12 GMT <angelborroy> Alfresco EE supports commercial databases: https://www.alfresco.com/services/subscription/supported-platforms

2016-11-10 11:02:13 GMT <alfbot> Title: Supported Platforms | Alfresco (at www.alfresco.com)

2016-11-10 11:08:10 GMT <fwu> so there is a distinction here between enterprise and CE

2016-11-10 11:08:22 GMT <fwu> maybe the enterprise trial may provide database scripts

2016-11-10 11:08:35 GMT <fwu> but it is always a risk, of course

2016-11-10 11:10:02 GMT <fwu> this goes a little bit against the normal flow clients wnat to follow: buy CE and then maybe migrate to EE, but then the database may only be replaced later, which is not good

2016-11-10 11:12:27 GMT <maria_> can i restrict my custom datalist to be viewed by specifice sites ?

2016-11-10 11:12:33 GMT <maria_> thanks in advance ?

2016-11-10 11:12:41 GMT <maria_> .

2016-11-10 12:03:05 GMT <fwu> ppl, another question: does anyone have alfresco installed on the cloud (external server)?

2016-11-10 12:07:17 GMT <Dirk23_> what do you mean by cloud (external Server)

2016-11-10 12:10:01 GMT <fwu> install alfresco in my server, so the client use it from their applications from their servers

2016-11-10 12:10:15 GMT <fwu> something like this :)

2016-11-10 12:11:09 GMT <fwu> my question would be: how do you give access to the Alfresco webservices to the client applications.

2016-11-10 12:11:48 GMT <fwu> is there any precaution to take, or would be similar to the access of the share interface

2016-11-10 12:13:10 GMT <Dirk23_> im out, cant follow you

2016-11-10 12:17:27 GMT <angelborroy> fwu http://docs.alfresco.com/community/tasks/configure-ssl-prod.html

2016-11-10 12:17:29 GMT <alfbot> Title: Configuring SSL for a production environment | Alfresco Documentation (at docs.alfresco.com)

2016-11-10 12:26:37 GMT <Vasquez> what is the best way to identify that content to which fileInfo is pointing is missing in content store?

2016-11-10 12:27:07 GMT <Vasquez> if I try to get reader of content data?

2016-11-10 12:29:11 GMT <bhagyas> Any Swedish speakers here, please get in touch with me to discuss the setting up of Swedish language forum on Alfresco Community Community

2016-11-10 13:00:45 GMT <fwu> angelborroy, so the only precaution is to use https?

2016-11-10 13:01:09 GMT <fwu> another thing. does Alfresco community support multi tennacy?

2016-11-10 13:01:38 GMT <angelborroy> 1) No this is an example of what URLs you have to expose to Internet, but you can use HTTP

2016-11-10 13:01:56 GMT <angelborroy> 2) Yes, but with the same database scheme and with the same tables for all tenants

2016-11-10 13:02:37 GMT <fwu> so it is not possible to have different clients in the same instance?

2016-11-10 13:02:43 GMT <fwu> clients=comapnies

2016-11-10 13:02:46 GMT <fwu> companies

2016-11-10 13:03:02 GMT <fwu> each one would see the docments of the others?

2016-11-10 13:03:05 GMT <angelborroy> it’s possible, but all of them are sharing the same database

2016-11-10 13:03:58 GMT <angelborroy> fwu details https://community.alfresco.com/docs/DOC-5304-multi-tenancy

2016-11-10 13:03:59 GMT <alfbot> Title: Multi-Tenancy | Alfresco Community (at community.alfresco.com)

2016-11-10 13:08:15 GMT <fwu> angelborroy. Does this works well in the 4.2.f version?

2016-11-10 13:08:23 GMT <fwu> did you ever used it?

2016-11-10 13:08:47 GMT <yregaieg> fwu, I guess the anwser for that is "No, not even in 5.1"

2016-11-10 13:09:18 GMT <yregaieg> there is still a lot of missing/broken features not to mention performance issues

2016-11-10 13:09:57 GMT <yregaieg> I think AFaust was thinking about fixing it some time ago, but not sure how far did he get!

2016-11-10 13:10:03 GMT <fwu> so, only enterprise works well?

2016-11-10 13:10:10 GMT <yregaieg> not even that

2016-11-10 13:10:14 GMT <fwu> lol

2016-11-10 13:10:18 GMT <angelborroy> yregaieg +1

2016-11-10 13:10:25 GMT <yregaieg> MT code is more or less the same for CE and EE

2016-11-10 13:10:58 GMT <fwu> I was seeing MT as a way to provide cloud services to companies.

2016-11-10 13:11:17 GMT <fwu> without MT, the option would be to install Alfresco for each client

2016-11-10 13:11:23 GMT <fwu> but that consumes a lot of resources

2016-11-10 13:11:32 GMT <yregaieg> FW, the closest thing to MT you can get, is to setup multiple containers IMHO

2016-11-10 13:11:50 GMT <AFaust> yregaieg: I created a module that adds support for MT to LDAP / LDAP-AD / Synchronization subsystems

2016-11-10 13:12:27 GMT <AFaust> Only waiting on the feedback of the customer who sponsored that before I make the first public release and list it in addons.alfresco.com

2016-11-10 13:12:31 GMT <douglascrp> yregaieg, containers?

2016-11-10 13:12:54 GMT <fwu> AFaust, but that was the problem with MT?

2016-11-10 13:12:56 GMT <douglascrp> ah, docker?

2016-11-10 13:13:26 GMT <yregaieg> fwu, MT can do that, but it has lots of limitations... So unless you are aware of all of them and still interested (it still fit your need) then you will need to consider an other route

2016-11-10 13:13:51 GMT <AFaust> fwu: As yregaieg said, some features of Alfresco are not supported in MT use cases. This included authentication of tenant users against a user directory or synchronising them from such a user directory.

2016-11-10 13:14:18 GMT <yregaieg> douglascrp, for instance, but I guess there is other platforms that provide more or less same features

2016-11-10 13:14:28 GMT <fwu> that was the addon you were talking about, ok.

2016-11-10 13:14:54 GMT <fwu> but what other routes I have?

2016-11-10 13:15:02 GMT <AFaust> fwu: Basically you'd need to provide a comprehensive description of the use case you want to handle via MT and then some expert can tell you if that'll work, what the limitations are and what could be adapted / done differently

2016-11-10 13:16:13 GMT <fwu> well, my idea would be to have the full alfresco features.... but that doesnt seems possible :)

2016-11-10 13:16:32 GMT <AFaust> The customer I created the addon for has been using MT for years and it works well for them and what they do with it.

2016-11-10 13:16:50 GMT <fwu> if I need to worry about the features, then it is harder, because today a client may not need something, but may need it tomorrow

2016-11-10 13:17:05 GMT <fwu> we never know

2016-11-10 13:17:29 GMT <fwu> what about the multiple containes? How they work?

2016-11-10 13:18:01 GMT <AFaust> basically like separate servers

2016-11-10 13:18:19 GMT <AFaust> it's nothing Alfresco specific - you just have multiple server instances for different customers

2016-11-10 13:18:36 GMT <AFaust> it was done via VMs a few years ago and now containers are all the rage

2016-11-10 13:19:13 GMT <fwu> but that consumes a lot or resources :(

2016-11-10 13:19:16 GMT <AFaust> and before VMs you'd simply setup additional physical servers

2016-11-10 13:19:51 GMT <fwu> if I had a client that only uses the system 1 time in a month, there are always a lot of resocures being used everyday

2016-11-10 13:19:55 GMT <yregaieg> fwu, not really

2016-11-10 13:20:18 GMT <yregaieg> it is not the same concept as VMs

2016-11-10 13:20:24 GMT <fwu> yreg, what you mean?

2016-11-10 13:20:36 GMT <AFaust> well - due to memory allocation and JVM it *does" consume way more resources than a single MT-enabled system

2016-11-10 13:20:55 GMT <yregaieg> fwu, check this out http://i.imgur.com/MJHfm1c.jpg

2016-11-10 13:21:01 GMT <fwu> and there is always memory being consumed....

2016-11-10 13:21:12 GMT <fwu> always, even if the user is not using it :(

2016-11-10 13:21:23 GMT <fwu> let me see

2016-11-10 13:21:25 GMT <AFaust> fwu: yregaieg just means that containers consume less resources than VMs

2016-11-10 13:21:38 GMT <yregaieg> way less

2016-11-10 13:21:48 GMT <AFaust> but still multiple Alfresco containers would consume more resources than a MT enabled system

2016-11-10 13:22:03 GMT <yregaieg> and what you can do with provisioning tools and scripts for automating tasks and monitoring is just amazing !

2016-11-10 13:22:39 GMT <AFaust> not amazing really, but necessary for this fad to work...

2016-11-10 13:22:51 GMT <yregaieg> AFaust, but at least you won't have one customer abusing of the Mutualized platform and shoking the other customers ?

2016-11-10 13:22:52 GMT <fwu> hmmm

2016-11-10 13:23:50 GMT <yregaieg> each one of them would have some dedicated ressources

2016-11-10 13:23:55 GMT <fwu> Mt doesnt supports the records management module. argh! :)

2016-11-10 13:25:42 GMT <fwu> yreg but are you using that architecture?

2016-11-10 13:26:44 GMT <AFaust> yregaieg: if the containers run on the same host you still have that issue unless you assign dedicated resources, and then you loose a lot of the scaling flexibility and could have basically used VMs

2016-11-10 13:28:23 GMT *** yregaieg is now known as yreg

2016-11-10 13:29:22 GMT <maria_> can i restrict my custom datalist to be viewed by specific sites ?

2016-11-10 13:29:59 GMT <yreg> maria_, you mean datalist type ?

2016-11-10 13:31:08 GMT <Loftux> There went the automatic install of Oracle Java boinkers for the Ubuntu Install Script: https://www.oracle.com/splash/edelivery/index.html

2016-11-10 13:31:36 GMT <fwu> I beleive that creating a site for each customer, and then try to limit access by permissions would not be the best approach either... right?

2016-11-10 13:31:36 GMT <Loftux> "Due to your country location, we are unable to process your request"

2016-11-10 13:31:38 GMT <maria_> yreg yes

2016-11-10 13:33:54 GMT <Loftux> The Trump effect is acting quickly. Now Sweden is getting banned from downloads from US software companies...

2016-11-10 13:34:40 GMT <fwu> Loftux lolollololol

2016-11-10 13:35:01 GMT <maria_> yreg yes - e.g. http://localhost:8081/share/page/site/swsdp/data-lists

2016-11-10 13:35:25 GMT <yreg> maria_, not out of the box as far as I know

2016-11-10 13:35:43 GMT <maria_> ok. thanks.

2016-11-10 13:39:07 GMT <fwu> Loftux, if I was you, I would go to Russia, a friendly country lol

2016-11-10 13:39:49 GMT <Loftux> I'll set up a vpn and route the download from there

2016-11-10 13:40:03 GMT <fwu> hehe

2016-11-10 13:43:11 GMT <fwu> so, regarding the MT, is there more option besides containers. As far as I understood, containers makes a better use of resources, but still there are a lot of duplicated resources being use.

2016-11-10 13:43:22 GMT <fcorti> ~HtmlLogger

2016-11-10 13:43:22 GMT <alfbot> fcorti: Error: "HtmlLogger" is not a valid command.

2016-11-10 13:45:46 GMT <yreg> fcorti ~htmllogger flushlog

2016-11-10 13:45:56 GMT <fcorti> ~htmllogger flushlog

2016-11-10 13:45:56 GMT <alfbot> fcorti: Woooosh, your log has been flushed...

2016-11-10 13:46:09 GMT <fcorti> thank you yreg :-)

2016-11-10 13:46:33 GMT <fcorti> my fault... always forget

2016-11-10 13:47:27 GMT <yreg> fcorti, and if you want to do it silently "/msg alfbot htmllogger flushlog #alfresco"

2016-11-10 13:47:45 GMT <yreg> You are welcome

2016-11-10 14:03:05 GMT <douglascrp> the way Jive computes users' points is weird

2016-11-10 14:03:26 GMT <douglascrp> simply liking posts give you lots of points

2016-11-10 14:03:46 GMT <AFaust> yes - some of the actions are op

2016-11-10 14:04:11 GMT <douglascrp> how can I compute agains AFaust and ___Dave by simply giving short answers?

2016-11-10 14:04:25 GMT <douglascrp> I'm almost there, and I don't think this is fair

2016-11-10 14:04:33 GMT <AFaust> I have the same question concerning "keeping up with ___Dave"

2016-11-10 14:04:52 GMT <douglascrp> but you both write those long, detailed answers

2016-11-10 14:05:06 GMT <douglascrp> ___Dave writes blog posts

2016-11-10 14:05:06 GMT <___Dave> I get a lot of my points from the blog posts I've done

2016-11-10 14:05:09 GMT <AFaust> naturally, blog posts are a big source of his "income" since they can be liked, bookmarked, commented on etc.

2016-11-10 14:05:09 GMT <ycoulon> I don't think we can match AFaust or ___Dave

2016-11-10 14:05:23 GMT <___Dave> yes... so each time someone new finds a blog post and likes or bookmarks it I'll get points

2016-11-10 14:05:26 GMT <douglascrp> I'm not saying I want to beat them

2016-11-10 14:05:36 GMT <___Dave> if it wasn't for the blog posts, then I'd be waaaaay behind Axel

2016-11-10 14:05:42 GMT <douglascrp> I only thing I do is to share links, or quick answers

2016-11-10 14:05:57 GMT <___Dave> so you could argue that this isn't a level playing field, however... I do have to invest quite a bit of time in writing those posts

2016-11-10 14:06:05 GMT <AFaust> ___Dave: I would say each blog post yields around 200-300 points for you total...

2016-11-10 14:06:36 GMT <douglascrp> AFaust, I think just publishing a blog post should already give the author a bunch of points

2016-11-10 14:06:43 GMT <AFaust> ___Dave: Also, some of the Aikau question threads read more like interactive chats and each back-and-forth brings in points...

2016-11-10 14:06:53 GMT <douglascrp> AFaust, yes, that too

2016-11-10 14:07:04 GMT <douglascrp> a "OK" post gives you points :D

2016-11-10 14:07:08 GMT <douglascrp> this is weird

2016-11-10 14:07:14 GMT <___Dave> yes, this is true... but sometimes the questions are so vague that it takes a little bit of back and forth to actually get to the root of the problem

2016-11-10 14:07:34 GMT <AFaust> But you can't fault Jive or ___Dave for that - if the people posting the question can't really express themselves properly you have to question every second of their sentences...

2016-11-10 14:07:40 GMT <___Dave> I'm not intentionally writing short answers to gain points

2016-11-10 14:07:51 GMT <angelborroy> hey douglascrp you’ve left me behind!!

2016-11-10 14:08:15 GMT <douglascrp> AFaust, indeed

2016-11-10 14:08:31 GMT <douglascrp> ___Dave, that's not what I meant, really

2016-11-10 14:08:52 GMT <douglascrp> angelborroy, yes, that's why I'm talking about this thing

2016-11-10 14:08:58 GMT <AFaust> And I must admit, some of the questions recently (not related to Aikau) have been so piss poor in quality that I don't even want to answer. I'd much rather revoke the users "internet access allowance" pending a training seminar for "how to ask questions 101"

2016-11-10 14:09:02 GMT <douglascrp> you too give those big answers

2016-11-10 14:09:28 GMT <douglascrp> angelborroy, and if I "like it", I already get points

2016-11-10 14:09:30 GMT <___Dave> it's really hard... on the one hand I do want to help people, but equally I want people to be able to help themselves

2016-11-10 14:09:44 GMT <___Dave> but I agree, some of the questions can be very poor in quality

2016-11-10 14:09:44 GMT <AFaust> douglascrp: But congratulations on being the 3rd in the 3000+ area

2016-11-10 14:10:03 GMT <douglascrp> 3000?

2016-11-10 14:10:20 GMT <AFaust> points

2016-11-10 14:10:24 GMT <douglascrp> wow

2016-11-10 14:10:25 GMT <angelborroy> I’m trying to give people give “cane” instead of “fishes”, but sometimes it’s hard to do

2016-11-10 14:10:25 GMT <AFaust> (checked just now)

2016-11-10 14:10:27 GMT <douglascrp> right now

2016-11-10 14:10:50 GMT <angelborroy> damm it! I’ve bee very busy last days :)

2016-11-10 14:11:02 GMT <douglascrp> someone marked one more of my answers as usefull

2016-11-10 14:12:17 GMT <___Dave> don't most of you get to answer questions in more than one language though? you all get double the community fun ;-)

2016-11-10 14:12:30 GMT <douglascrp> ___Dave, I try to do so

2016-11-10 14:12:42 GMT <douglascrp> Portuguese, English and Spanish

2016-11-10 14:12:42 GMT <___Dave> being an ignorant Englishman I'm incapable of communicating in more than one language

2016-11-10 14:13:07 GMT <douglascrp> but I saw you were the first one to answer one in Portuguese

2016-11-10 14:13:18 GMT <___Dave> yeah, thanks to Google translate

2016-11-10 14:13:21 GMT <douglascrp> Portuguese community

2016-11-10 14:13:24 GMT <douglascrp> well, that's fine

2016-11-10 14:13:27 GMT <___Dave> it popped up in the English community for some reason

2016-11-10 14:13:33 GMT <___Dave> I have no idea how well it translated! ;-)

2016-11-10 14:13:58 GMT <douglascrp> but I don't even try in French and German

2016-11-10 14:14:08 GMT <AFaust> ___Dave: You can ignore the German language community - it's basically just tumbleweeds in there...

2016-11-10 14:14:21 GMT <___Dave> that's a shame... I can actually speak a little German (very badly)

2016-11-10 14:15:05 GMT <___Dave> I once spoke to Florian Maul at a Summit for most of an evening in German... I think he was just being polite and pretending to understand me though

2016-11-10 14:15:14 GMT <douglascrp> ___Dave, I've just checked your answer... it's really good

2016-11-10 14:15:18 GMT <douglascrp> google did a great job

2016-11-10 14:15:51 GMT <___Dave> that's good to know, thanks :)

2016-11-10 14:15:51 GMT <douglascrp> only 2 words not RIGHT, but totally understandable

2016-11-10 14:23:23 GMT <koula> hi all. i am getting the error that my custom namespace is not loaded.

2016-11-10 14:24:16 GMT <koula> I have two seperated amps (repo/ share) and they both contain the share-config-custom.xml

2016-11-10 14:25:05 GMT <koula> the one with the problem does not seem to be loaded.

2016-11-10 14:25:18 GMT <AFaust> angelborroy: FYI - in your CE upgrade blog post (http://www.keensoft.es/en/alfresco-upgrade-paths-for-community-edition/) you could have actually gone from 4.0.d straight to 5.0.d

2016-11-10 14:25:19 GMT <alfbot> Title: Alfresco upgrade paths for Community Edition - keensoft (at www.keensoft.es)

2016-11-10 14:25:36 GMT <AFaust> At least it worked perfectly fine for the customer I am currently working at

2016-11-10 14:25:44 GMT <koula> (cause it does not complain when there are type errors.. )

2016-11-10 14:25:52 GMT <AFaust> And is in line with the upgrade path diagram from Alfresco

2016-11-10 14:26:19 GMT <angelborroy> AFaust thanks, you can include that information on a comment for the blog post so everyone can know about that path

2016-11-10 14:26:37 GMT <AFaust> will do when I am back in my home office

2016-11-10 14:26:57 GMT <AFaust> Just now preparing for the next step to 5.1.g before the customer employee has to go away for today

2016-11-10 14:27:45 GMT <koula> so.. why my share-config-custom.xml is not loaded?

2016-11-10 14:28:23 GMT <ycoulon> koula: why you have share-config-custom in repo AMP ?

2016-11-10 14:29:57 GMT <koula> in the share amp it is (sorry if told otherwise)

2016-11-10 14:30:12 GMT <koula> i have 2 repo amps, 2 share amps

2016-11-10 14:30:29 GMT <koula> they both need to add aspects

2016-11-10 14:30:35 GMT <koula> and types

2016-11-10 14:31:12 GMT <ycoulon> wich share config is not loaded from your share-config-custom ? Did you use the replace="true" ?

2016-11-10 14:31:36 GMT <ycoulon> if so that's maybe why one of your config is not loaded

2016-11-10 14:33:03 GMT <koula> where replace="true" would be set?

2016-11-10 14:34:45 GMT <koula> <config evaluator="string-compare" condition="DocumentLibrary" replace="true">

2016-11-10 14:34:48 GMT <koula> that ?

2016-11-10 14:34:56 GMT <ycoulon> Take a look at http://docs.alfresco.com/5.1/concepts/share-configuration-files.html to learn from that replace="true"

2016-11-10 14:34:57 GMT <alfbot> Title: Share configuration files | Alfresco Documentation (at docs.alfresco.com)

2016-11-10 14:35:22 GMT <ycoulon> yeah that replace told Share to override all configuration for DocumentLibrary

2016-11-10 14:35:33 GMT <ycoulon> just try to remove it from your config file.

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2016-11-10 14:39:59 GMT <douglascrp> Loftux, I've just faced the problem with Java

2016-11-10 14:40:02 GMT <douglascrp> I was intalling it

2016-11-10 14:40:05 GMT <douglascrp> installing

2016-11-10 14:42:15 GMT <Loftux> douglascrp: It's a major outage looks like every country is blocked. Even US

2016-11-10 14:42:53 GMT <AFaust> Loftux: On Linux I have not been using Oracle JDK for years - any reason why OpenJDK isn't used as the default?

2016-11-10 14:43:48 GMT <bhagyas> AFaust: Alfresco and many other vendors recommend using Oracle JDK… I guess it's probably due to things related to cryptography and certified stacks..

2016-11-10 14:44:17 GMT <AFaust> So, basically lazyness in validating one other (major) JDK...

2016-11-10 14:45:00 GMT <AFaust> No issues with cryptography that I can see. Alfresco is only using default levels for cryptography that are supported in OpenJDK as well

2016-11-10 14:45:30 GMT <AFaust> No surprise of course, since they still recommend an outdated GC algorithm...

2016-11-10 14:47:29 GMT <douglascrp> AFaust, which one do you use?

2016-11-10 14:47:51 GMT <AFaust> G1GC

2016-11-10 14:48:06 GMT <AFaust> for the last 2 years...

2016-11-10 14:48:56 GMT <douglascrp> Ok, I'm going to read about it

2016-11-10 14:49:44 GMT <AFaust> also a couple of the other JVM parameters have been garbage for years too... everytime I see -Xss with 1024k I could die from aggravated facepalming

2016-11-10 14:52:34 GMT <bhagyas> AFaust: Still there on SDK archetype generated artefacts :|

2016-11-10 14:52:46 GMT <bhagyas> (Last time I saw)

2016-11-10 14:54:59 GMT <Loftux> AFaust: The switch may have been due to Java8 not being in ubuntu repos at the time. Also if I remember correctly OpenJDK installs with version number in the path, so startup scripts needs updating each time to point to correct java version. Might be time to have a look at OpenJDK again.

2016-11-10 14:55:35 GMT <AFaust> that is what /etc/alternatives is for...

2016-11-10 14:55:58 GMT <AFaust> you should rarely have to hard code the path to Java

2016-11-10 14:59:52 GMT <Loftux> AFaust: But that is just for the java bin, wouldn't tomcat need the full JAVA_HOME?

2016-11-10 15:00:17 GMT <AFaust> no

2016-11-10 15:00:31 GMT <AFaust> at least I have never needed it

2016-11-10 15:00:55 GMT <Loftux> Hmm, I'll look into that

2016-11-10 15:00:57 GMT <AFaust> Tomcat startup script always was able to determine it by itself

2016-11-10 15:03:08 GMT <douglascrp> Loftux, AFaust I'm finishing my install right now

2016-11-10 15:03:14 GMT <douglascrp> and I'm going to use openjdk 8

2016-11-10 15:03:18 GMT <douglascrp> let's see how it goes

2016-11-10 15:04:07 GMT <AFaust> Just checked the customer environment: using openjdk 8 on CentOS despite me not having instructed the customer to use openjdk...

2016-11-10 15:04:30 GMT <Loftux> There is no OpenJDK 8 for 14.04, so that is the reason for the switch http://askubuntu.com/questions/464755/how-to-install-openjdk-8-on-14-04-lts

2016-11-10 15:04:31 GMT <alfbot> Title: java - How to install OpenJDK 8 on 14.04 LTS? - Ask Ubuntu (at askubuntu.com)

2016-11-10 15:04:31 GMT <douglascrp> I'm following this http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2015/01/install-openjdk-8-ubuntu-14-04-12-04-lts/

2016-11-10 15:04:32 GMT <AFaust> used openjdk6 for the first leg of the upgrade and now openjdk8 for the final one

2016-11-10 15:04:33 GMT <alfbot> Title: How to Install OpenJDK 8 in Ubuntu 14.04 & 12.04 LTS | UbuntuHandbook (at ubuntuhandbook.org)

2016-11-10 15:04:50 GMT <douglascrp> Loftux, there is a PPA for it

2016-11-10 15:05:34 GMT <AFaust> that is the one I have used in some of the older Ubuntu installs during the last year(s)

2016-11-10 15:06:03 GMT <Loftux> So besides not being Oracle, Why is OpenJDK better?

2016-11-10 15:07:06 GMT <Loftux> Btw, douglascrp is partly to blame for Oracle Java ;) https://github.com/loftuxab/alfresco-ubuntu-install/issues/40

2016-11-10 15:07:07 GMT <alfbot> Title: Offers the option to automatically install and configure Oracles Java · Issue #40 · loftuxab/alfresco-ubuntu-install · GitHub (at github.com)

2016-11-10 15:08:17 GMT <AFaust> Loftux: I am not claiming that it is "better". It just fits better into the Open Source world with no license encumbered parts (compared to Oracle JDK)

2016-11-10 15:08:38 GMT <douglascrp> Loftux, that's true

2016-11-10 15:08:39 GMT <douglascrp> :D

2016-11-10 15:08:53 GMT <AFaust> In terms of support, Oracle JDK is arguably better since you have a corporate entity behind it...

2016-11-10 15:09:14 GMT <AFaust> You can get a support contract with Oracle that you might not get from anyone for OpenJDK

2016-11-10 15:10:10 GMT <AFaust> Oracle JDK also provides more commercial features in their JDK which might be of interest, e.g. Mission Control

2016-11-10 15:11:51 GMT <AFaust> angelborroy: During your upgrade to 5.1.g did you notice an unbelievably long "migrate-activiti-workflows" SQL patch?

2016-11-10 15:12:04 GMT <AFaust> or 5.1.x

2016-11-10 15:12:15 GMT <angelborroy> not really, but as you now I’m not using workflows inside Alfresco ;-)

2016-11-10 15:12:20 GMT <angelborroy> now > know

2016-11-10 15:12:45 GMT <AFaust> Well - the customer doesn't use any custom workflows. They just have the normal invites / ad-hocs

2016-11-10 15:13:17 GMT <angelborroy> no, I didn’t see long patchs on my upgrade

2016-11-10 15:13:22 GMT <angelborroy> maybe mine was a short repository

2016-11-10 15:13:42 GMT <AFaust> this repository isn't that large as well - only ~20k files

2016-11-10 15:13:50 GMT <angelborroy> wow

2016-11-10 15:13:54 GMT <angelborroy> mine was greater

2016-11-10 15:14:29 GMT <AFaust> The customer started to evaluate Alfresco in 2011/2012 and then only used it for one very small department. Now they have finally decided to "really use" it

2016-11-10 15:15:01 GMT <angelborroy> database engine?

2016-11-10 15:15:24 GMT <AFaust> MySQL in the old system but we switched to newest MariaDB before starting the upgrade

2016-11-10 15:15:24 GMT <Loftux> I think the reason the Activiti guys left is so they don't have to write any more patches. They have been of questionable quality.

2016-11-10 15:15:44 GMT <angelborroy> mine was by using PostgreSQL

2016-11-10 15:16:15 GMT <AFaust> How hard can it be to write proper patches? Sure, you can certainly make a mess out of it if you really don't want to do it, but how childish is that?

2016-11-10 15:17:48 GMT <Loftux> AFaust: From what version are you upgrading? Because of the Activiti patches I've hade to do something like -> 4.2.a -4.2.f -> and so on (first and last in each major)

2016-11-10 15:18:42 GMT <AFaust> 4.0.d -> 5.0.d worked fine, now 5.0.d -> 5.1.g / 201605 GA (whatever - the one where 5.1.g is mixed with 5.2.a)

2016-11-10 15:19:32 GMT <Loftux> After upgrades, any schema validation errors has usually been in activiti tables

2016-11-10 15:19:37 GMT <AFaust> the patch file being executed now claims to be part of 4.2 though

2016-11-10 15:19:57 GMT <AFaust> but could just be because of Enterprise merges...

2016-11-10 15:20:13 GMT <Loftux> AFaust: Some of those "Same" patches has been rewritten between versions

2016-11-10 15:20:22 GMT <AFaust> that too

2016-11-10 15:20:47 GMT <Loftux> I would include a 4.2 in your steps

2016-11-10 15:22:01 GMT <AFaust> I mean the patch doesn't look that complex anyway - just wish I had collected some metrics about those tables before this step to know the number of rows in the activiti tables...

2016-11-10 16:14:32 GMT <douglascrp> AFaust, I saw that problem in one upgrade I did recently

2016-11-10 16:14:54 GMT <douglascrp> I don't have details, right now, but I remember it was something related with activiti too

2016-11-10 16:15:12 GMT <douglascrp> and on that server, there was almost no workflow use

2016-11-10 16:15:29 GMT <douglascrp> it took a good time to finish

2016-11-10 16:28:11 GMT <AFaust> I just started another attempt after resetting to old DB and doing 4.0.d -> 4.2.f -> 5.0.d

2016-11-10 16:28:33 GMT <AFaust> So far, the same behaviour can be observed

2016-11-10 16:29:15 GMT <AFaust> This time I may let it run until it completes or I come back tomorrow morning (whichever is earlier)

2016-11-10 16:29:27 GMT <AFaust> It's only the test environment...

2016-11-10 16:31:33 GMT <AFaust> If that completes sometime during the night but still takes very long, I might investigate clearing the Activiti tables before the real upgrade

2016-11-10 17:40:35 GMT <TrentonDAdams> douglascrp: iwkse I think I found out why I couldn't delete a folder with a large number of files now.

2016-11-10 17:41:11 GMT <TrentonDAdams> Our sys-admin found errors in the logs, related to running out of postgresql memory, in relation to another problem. Once he changed that I was like "Oh, that might have been my problem too", and it seems to have been.

2016-11-10 17:41:14 GMT <TrentonDAdams> The delete now worked.

2016-11-10 17:41:28 GMT <iwkse> TrentonDAdams: cool

2016-11-10 17:41:30 GMT <douglascrp> TrentonDAdams, cool

2016-11-10 17:41:38 GMT <TrentonDAdams> So yeah. I was starting to think alfresco sure sucks.

2016-11-10 17:41:42 GMT <TrentonDAdams> lol

2016-11-10 17:42:02 GMT <TrentonDAdams> But, you can't fix bad configurations

2016-11-10 17:42:13 GMT <TrentonDAdams> I mean you can, and should. :P

2016-11-10 17:43:06 GMT <douglascrp> TrentonDAdams, what did you do to solve that problem? exactly

2016-11-10 17:43:27 GMT <TrentonDAdams> Let me ask

2016-11-10 17:48:05 GMT <iwkse> pity it was yesterday the aikau talk..and now I have a kind of aikau vs world question

2016-11-10 17:48:36 GMT <iwkse> in this file ./tomcat/webapps/share/components/header/header.js there's a function configureSearch: function Header_configureSearch()

2016-11-10 17:48:47 GMT <iwkse> at line 216

2016-11-10 17:48:57 GMT <iwkse> but that's not visible in share..

2016-11-10 17:49:11 GMT <iwkse> my guess is that it's old code and now it's handled by aikau

2016-11-10 17:49:13 GMT <iwkse> what do you think?

2016-11-10 17:51:14 GMT <TrentonDAdams> The sys-admin says he used pgtune to give suggestions. http://pastebin.com/jm3gw2Cd The max_lock one was not derived from pgtune

2016-11-10 17:51:15 GMT <alfbot> Title: shared_buffers = 4GB temp_buffers =128MB work_mem = 128MB maintenance_wor - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)

2016-11-10 18:10:15 GMT <TrentonDAdams> douglascrp: ^^

2016-11-10 18:23:42 GMT <douglascrp> pgtune, I didn't know that

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