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2017-01-31 06:29:34 GMT <depo> Hello, I've got error message on Alfresco + ldap synchronization, LDAP: error code 32 - No Such Object]; remaining name 'ou=Groups,dc=company,dc=com', but that company.com is not mentionet in any config file, even after text search in the alfresco install directory.
2017-01-31 06:30:13 GMT <depo> is is something like built-in ?
2017-01-31 08:07:35 GMT <twen> 'morning
2017-01-31 08:37:29 GMT <yreg> ~later tell douglascrp a colleague of mine is having some problems with the value assistance module
2017-01-31 08:37:29 GMT <alfbot> yreg: The operation succeeded.
2017-01-31 08:38:18 GMT <yreg> ~later tell douglascrp the problem only occurs when you have cascading lists in a form loaded by the uploader plus addon
2017-01-31 08:38:18 GMT <alfbot> yreg: The operation succeeded.
2017-01-31 08:38:52 GMT <yreg> ~later tell douglascrp the problem manifests randomly: sometimes it works, sometimes it does not
2017-01-31 08:38:52 GMT <alfbot> yreg: The operation succeeded.
2017-01-31 08:40:31 GMT <yreg> ~later tell douglascrp I am suspecting that the child dropdown is trying to register the onChange event listener on the parent select sometimes before the parent select is populated...
2017-01-31 08:40:31 GMT <alfbot> yreg: The operation succeeded.
2017-01-31 08:41:25 GMT <DarkStar1> GReeting every-bo-dy
2017-01-31 08:42:29 GMT <yreg> ~later tell douglascrp When the problem occurs, I do not have any error in the developer tools console, and at a first glance everything seems to work just fine, but changing the value in the parent select does not trigger an xhr for loading the child select items
2017-01-31 08:42:29 GMT <alfbot> yreg: The operation succeeded.
2017-01-31 08:43:29 GMT <yreg> Hey DarkStar1 ! How it goes ?
2017-01-31 08:44:12 GMT <DarkStar1> yreg: freezing. 'tis that time of the year :/
2017-01-31 08:44:57 GMT <DarkStar1> -= THIS MESSAGE NOT LOGGED =-
2017-01-31 08:53:56 GMT <yreg> -= THIS MESSAGE NOT LOGGED =-
2017-01-31 09:10:54 GMT <yreg> fcorti, in the init nodes operational job what do you mean by operational ? I found stagging tables in the datamart for nodes (folders documents special metadata) but no operational tables
2017-01-31 09:11:56 GMT <fcorti> morning yreg
2017-01-31 09:12:46 GMT <fcorti> The BI literature says that an enterprise ETL should be composed by three layers maximum:
2017-01-31 09:13:09 GMT <yreg> Morning :)
2017-01-31 09:13:13 GMT <fcorti> Staging (an exact copy of the sources, to avoid complex joins across the network)
2017-01-31 09:13:23 GMT <fcorti> Operational (where the transformations happen)
2017-01-31 09:13:55 GMT <fcorti> Warehouse (where the data are stored with a time series)
2017-01-31 09:14:17 GMT <fcorti> An ETL should starts with Source => Staging
2017-01-31 09:14:24 GMT <fcorti> Then Staging => Operational
2017-01-31 09:14:33 GMT <fcorti> Then Operational => Warehouse
2017-01-31 09:14:54 GMT <fcorti> The 2 step is not mandatory, if you don't have complex transformations
2017-01-31 09:14:55 GMT <yreg> OK, I am understand the concept
2017-01-31 09:15:18 GMT <fcorti> so you can avoid it even if it is a recommendation to have it for general purpose
2017-01-31 09:15:34 GMT <yreg> but I am seeing a lot of reference to operational and I do not see tables for that, is operational data stored in memory ?
2017-01-31 09:15:37 GMT <fcorti> you recognise Staging tables from the STG_ prefix
2017-01-31 09:15:48 GMT <fcorti> operational tables from the OPE_ prefix
2017-01-31 09:15:51 GMT <yreg> YES
2017-01-31 09:15:57 GMT <fcorti> warehouse tables from the DWH_ prefix
2017-01-31 09:16:21 GMT <fcorti> in a very large system, STG, OPE and DWh shoud be store in three different schemas
2017-01-31 09:16:30 GMT <fcorti> only DWH is the REAL warehouse
2017-01-31 09:16:52 GMT <fcorti> all the rest are used from the ETLs
2017-01-31 09:18:38 GMT <yreg> This perfectly rimes with what I learnt back in the university
2017-01-31 09:19:39 GMT <yreg> but having this refreshing reminder helps to understand the design even better
2017-01-31 09:20:22 GMT <yreg> I assume, the datawarehouse consists of one or plus datamarts
2017-01-31 09:22:02 GMT <fcorti> yes
2017-01-31 09:22:37 GMT <fcorti> by literature a data mart is a warehouse of one specific element of business
2017-01-31 09:23:05 GMT <fcorti> a warehouse is a set of data mart, built sharing dimensions (like time, users, etc.)
2017-01-31 09:23:05 GMT <yreg> and in very large systems we have separate datawarehouses one for operational data for quick and effective reporting related to last week|month|year and one other for the full data which can grow very large but in which digging and mining can have the biggest value
2017-01-31 09:23:32 GMT <fcorti> yep, this happens into the DWH
2017-01-31 09:23:43 GMT <fcorti> that can replicate some materialized views of data
2017-01-31 09:23:52 GMT <fcorti> for better perfomrmances etc...
2017-01-31 09:24:40 GMT <yreg> Refreshing reminder ...
2017-01-31 09:24:55 GMT <yreg> back to the nodes extraction job
2017-01-31 09:25:43 GMT <fcorti> operational in AAAR is used on custom properties
2017-01-31 09:25:57 GMT <yreg> when you say Init nodes operational are you creating then dropping operational tables, or using in memory objects for transformations before persisting to the datamart
2017-01-31 09:26:16 GMT <fcorti> no drops
2017-01-31 09:26:31 GMT <fcorti> the AAAR data mart is "dynamic" at setup time
2017-01-31 09:26:53 GMT <fcorti> I mean: when you declare to use a bunch of custom properties to be analyzed
2017-01-31 09:27:06 GMT <fcorti> a bunch of tables are created at setup time
2017-01-31 09:27:17 GMT <fcorti> (please see the AAAR_Create_Structures script)
2017-01-31 09:27:28 GMT <fcorti> then some OPE_.... tables are created
2017-01-31 09:27:33 GMT <fcorti> and managed by the ETLs
2017-01-31 09:27:48 GMT <yreg> Aha ! that was the missing piece !
2017-01-31 09:28:04 GMT <fcorti> ;-)
2017-01-31 09:28:16 GMT <yreg> Thank you fcorti ! Helpful and brilliant ... as usual ;-) !
2017-01-31 09:28:23 GMT <fcorti> Everything is pretty powerful
2017-01-31 09:28:49 GMT <fcorti> Thnak you yreg... everything is int he source code, this is what I like. :-)
2017-01-31 10:17:00 GMT <ChriGon> Hello
2017-01-31 10:17:51 GMT <ChriGon> I want to know, with alfresco can i do real time collaborative editing in word 2016?
2017-01-31 10:19:06 GMT <angelborroy> ChriGon no by default, I think that there is some addon for that
2017-01-31 10:20:19 GMT <angelborroy> ChriGon maybe this one: https://addons.alfresco.com/addons/wowa-office-web-apps-online-edit-module
2017-01-31 10:20:20 GMT <alfbot> Title: WOWA: Office Web Apps Online Edit Module | Alfresco Add-ons - Alfresco Customizations (at addons.alfresco.com)
2017-01-31 10:21:58 GMT <ChriGon> Thank you for the tips, angelborroy and alfbot, I try this quickly.
2017-01-31 10:22:23 GMT <angelborroy> ChriGon “alfbot” is a bot, right? :)
2017-01-31 10:22:42 GMT <ChriGon> I have alfresco 5.2 and it is for versiom 4.0 and 4.2. It is a problem?
2017-01-31 10:23:13 GMT <angelborroy> I don’t think so, however it’s a commercial addon
2017-01-31 10:23:23 GMT <angelborroy> so they can provide support for installing in 5.2
2017-01-31 10:24:06 GMT <ChriGon> Hum yes but I am polite with bot...
2017-01-31 10:24:57 GMT <AFaust> angelborroy: You should too - soon they will rise up and kill everyone that was not kind / polite to bots...
2017-01-31 10:26:24 GMT <angelborroy> AFaust you are using “soon” in terms of developer, right?
2017-01-31 10:26:58 GMT <ChriGon> ok, not test of wowa without paid it.
2017-01-31 10:27:11 GMT <angelborroy> AFaust so it can be 1 month, 1 year or 1 century depending on the circumstances
2017-01-31 10:28:20 GMT <ChriGon> And if I am unpolite with each person have brain's level of a bot, it is a social destruction for me.
2017-01-31 10:29:50 GMT <depo> <depo> Hello, I've got error message on Alfresco + ldap synchronization, LDAP: error code 32 - No Such Object]; remaining name 'ou=Groups,dc=company,dc=com', but that company.com is not mentioned in any config file, even after text search in the alfresco install directory.Is is something like built-in ?
2017-01-31 10:30:20 GMT <angelborroy> depo this is hardcoded inside JARs
2017-01-31 10:30:31 GMT <angelborroy> depo anyway your LDAP configuration is not picked
2017-01-31 10:30:53 GMT <depo> thanks
2017-01-31 10:30:54 GMT <angelborroy> depo are you using alfresco-global.properties for LDAP parameters?
2017-01-31 10:31:08 GMT <depo> yes
2017-01-31 10:31:29 GMT <angelborroy> maybe you are missing some parameter
2017-01-31 10:32:16 GMT <depo> thanks for response, i will try lookinmg into config again
2017-01-31 12:15:33 GMT <qwebirc82662> Good morning! I'd like to try to get repository data via odata protocol. Has someone managed it already? Try my first steps using http://services.odata.org/validation/validation.htm to connect but it always says "Error retrieving validation results - please retry". I'm using the following URL: http://ouralfrescoserver:8080/alfresco/api/-default-/public/cmis/versions/1.1/atom then "AtomPub/XML" and even the correct authorization.
2017-01-31 12:15:34 GMT <alfbot> Title: OData Validator (at services.odata.org)
2017-01-31 12:16:59 GMT <qwebirc82662> and " OData v4.0 service endpoint"
2017-01-31 13:09:07 GMT <pjlucidi> qwebirc82662 I think that you should install OAI plugin because Alfresco doesn’t support Open Data by default http://alfoai.hohoko.com/
2017-01-31 13:09:08 GMT <alfbot> Title: AlfOAI Server (at alfoai.hohoko.com)
2017-01-31 13:19:55 GMT <qwebirc82662> pjlucidi: thank you. I'll give it a try
2017-01-31 13:20:28 GMT <bhagyas> angelborroy: Had the same issue with update properties in November
2017-01-31 13:20:49 GMT <bhagyas> basically played whack-a-mole for a couple of days until finally giving up
2017-01-31 13:20:53 GMT <angelborroy> bhagyas I know, it’s a common problem
2017-01-31 13:21:03 GMT <bhagyas> and then breaking it down to different transactions
2017-01-31 13:21:16 GMT <angelborroy> after that I remembered that a colleague had also this problem some time ago
2017-01-31 13:21:30 GMT <bhagyas> It would be interesting to chart the heart rate when you hit bugs like this
2017-01-31 13:21:58 GMT <bhagyas> 🙄
2017-01-31 13:22:42 GMT <bhagyas> angelborroy: yeah, and also the code contained a piece of setProperties, that always resetted the name value
2017-01-31 13:22:54 GMT <bhagyas> so replaced setProperties with addProperties
2017-01-31 13:22:59 GMT <bhagyas> and it went away for a while
2017-01-31 13:23:37 GMT <angelborroy> bhagyas so you give up in the end?
2017-01-31 13:23:44 GMT <pjlucidi> qwebric82662: that URL used for contacting Alfresco was related to the CMIS protocol. You are welcome :)
2017-01-31 13:23:55 GMT <bhagyas> nah, finally fixed it
2017-01-31 13:24:00 GMT <bhagyas> but I can't remember how
2017-01-31 13:24:13 GMT <bhagyas> but I remember the frustration
2017-01-31 13:25:30 GMT <bhagyas> I encountered the issue while writing unit tests, so if you check any unit test related chat logs in November, it should definitely have it
2017-01-31 13:26:13 GMT <bhagyas> since unit tests are often contained in a single transaction, despite you want actions to run as individual transactions :|
2017-01-31 13:29:40 GMT <bmejias> does anyone has a pointer to documentation about that?
2017-01-31 13:29:44 GMT <bmejias> thanks
2017-01-31 13:39:51 GMT <angelborroy> so you can try this from fcorti http://fcorti.com/2014/07/23/solr-return-less-than-1000-objects-alfresco/
2017-01-31 13:39:52 GMT <alfbot> Title: Solr doesn't return more than 1,000 objects in Alfresco. - Francesco Corti (at fcorti.com)
2017-01-31 13:40:28 GMT <angelborroy> Or maybe this one http://fcorti.com/2013/05/01/alfresco-1000-results-lucene/
2017-01-31 13:40:29 GMT <alfbot> Title: Alfresco retrieves 1,000 results maximum or query for a couple of minutes with Apache Lucene - Francesco Corti (at fcorti.com)
2017-01-31 13:40:39 GMT <angelborroy> bmejias Depending on your Alfresco version
2017-01-31 13:40:45 GMT <resplin> Good morning IRC!
2017-01-31 13:41:14 GMT <resplin> I want to take a poll, and get your opinion.
2017-01-31 13:41:32 GMT <resplin> How many of you use Alfresco Enterprise Edition with AWS?
2017-01-31 13:41:52 GMT <resplin> Question 2: How many of you use Alfresco Community Edition with AWS?
2017-01-31 13:42:04 GMT <resplin> Question 3: How many have used the Alfresco AWS Quick Start?
2017-01-31 13:42:13 GMT <angelborroy> Yes to question 2
2017-01-31 13:42:14 GMT <resplin> I'll stop asking questions now and see what you say.
2017-01-31 13:42:17 GMT <angelborroy> No to question 1 and 3
2017-01-31 13:45:02 GMT <resplin> Any one else?
2017-01-31 13:45:39 GMT <bgallet> resplin no no no :)
2017-01-31 13:45:58 GMT <angelborroy> douglas is not here, but he’s using also AWS with Community
2017-01-31 13:46:18 GMT <angelborroy> and also Jeff is using that config
2017-01-31 13:46:54 GMT <resplin> We find that more and more of our customers love AWS, which I find personally troubling. What is the good of an open source ECM if it is going to be deployed on top of a proprietary cloud?
2017-01-31 13:47:16 GMT <IanW1> Yes to 2
2017-01-31 13:48:35 GMT <bgallet> Sorry to ask again, but i'm really stuck. I did a custom behavior, working well in my extension project. But after deploying amps, events are not triggered in the final project..
2017-01-31 13:48:38 GMT <angelborroy> resplin I’m using AWS only because of clients requirements
2017-01-31 13:48:41 GMT <bgallet> If I use FIRST_EVENT as notification frequency, they are not triggered at all
2017-01-31 13:48:45 GMT <angelborroy> resplin but I’m agree with you
2017-01-31 13:48:46 GMT <bgallet> And if I use TRANSACTION_COMMIT, I have a "Node does not exist" error
2017-01-31 13:49:14 GMT <resplin> Sorry for distracting from your question bgallet. I don't know the answer.
2017-01-31 13:49:59 GMT <bgallet> resplin it's okay no problem
2017-01-31 13:50:04 GMT <resplin> angelborroy IanW1: The team has discussed taking advantage of AWS-specific functionality. But I'm not sure how I feel about that.
2017-01-31 13:50:16 GMT <IanW1> From our point of view there's nothing special about AWS, it's just a place to host it, somebody decided we'd have our cloud based servers on AWS at some point - we don't use any specific AWS features
2017-01-31 13:51:03 GMT <angelborroy> resplin If you can isolate your changes to provide an AWS and a non-AWS Alfresco version, then it should work
2017-01-31 13:51:05 GMT <resplin> AWS has a lot of amazing functionality. If Alfresco Community Edition took advantage of them, does it erode the benefits of open source?
2017-01-31 13:51:19 GMT <resplin> angelborroy: That's true, but it is also a lot of effort.
2017-01-31 13:51:27 GMT <resplin> we'll end up maintaining two code paths
2017-01-31 13:51:30 GMT <angelborroy> resplin So I’d say NO
2017-01-31 13:51:49 GMT <angelborroy> you’re tying Alfresco to Amazon… why?
2017-01-31 13:51:57 GMT <resplin> The counter argument is that AWS has momentum that is unmatched in the industry. It would be great to harness that.
2017-01-31 13:52:06 GMT <bhagyas> I am disappointed to hear that you're disappointed about an open source software running on a 'proprietary cloud'
2017-01-31 13:52:16 GMT <IanW1> resplin: On the whole I'd prefer not to use AWS specific functionality *unless* it was still possible to move to a non AWS platform at some point
2017-01-31 13:52:24 GMT <bhagyas> This is the most ridiculous thing I've heard for today, tbh
2017-01-31 13:52:50 GMT <resplin> bhagyas: Disappointed is the wrong word. But it does seem to undermine the benefits of open source: control and vendor-independence.
2017-01-31 13:53:10 GMT <resplin> At that point, it isn't open source. It is just free.
2017-01-31 13:53:25 GMT <IanW1> We have been evaluating using other hosting platforms - my feeling is that momentum is moving away from AWS rather than towards at this point
2017-01-31 13:53:26 GMT <bhagyas> I think Alfresco should focus on making a great open source product that can run on any platform
2017-01-31 13:53:33 GMT <bhagyas> instead of worrying about who runs on what
2017-01-31 13:53:53 GMT <bhagyas> then you might as well as drop support for Windows Server, but glad you can't take away Tomcat running on Windows
2017-01-31 13:53:57 GMT <bhagyas> :)
2017-01-31 13:54:26 GMT <resplin> The conversation isn't about whether Alfresco should be able to run on AWS. The question is about whether the benefit from taking advantage of AWS specific features like machine learning, logging, lambdas, etc outweighs the losses.
2017-01-31 13:54:28 GMT <IanW1> We may consider moving away at our next upgrade - we're spending too much on AWS and the available server configurations don't always match our needs
2017-01-31 13:54:58 GMT <resplin> IanW1: That's useful to know.
2017-01-31 13:55:30 GMT <IanW1> We've already moved some of our applications off AWS
2017-01-31 13:55:33 GMT <bhagyas> resplin: It should be able to run on AWS, but you can have an abstraction layer
2017-01-31 13:55:51 GMT <angelborroy> resplin Why don’t you spend your time on integrating other open source platforms for machine learning and so???
2017-01-31 13:55:52 GMT <bhagyas> that isolates AWS, WSO2, GCP or Azure specific features
2017-01-31 13:56:13 GMT <resplin> bhagyas: The abstraction layer adds engineering complexity and erodes the benefit of the AWS only features
2017-01-31 13:56:20 GMT <resplin> angelborroy: They aren't nearly as good
2017-01-31 13:56:20 GMT <bhagyas> I am sure Alfresco has competency on building that
2017-01-31 13:56:34 GMT <bhagyas> if not, open source and we will take care of it
2017-01-31 13:56:39 GMT <resplin> Should we use that competency to move faster, instead of doing things that AWS has already done?
2017-01-31 13:56:50 GMT <resplin> I'm talking about our open source products.
2017-01-31 13:57:05 GMT <angelborroy> Is there any machine learning open source platform equivalent to Amazon one? I can’t believe that
2017-01-31 13:57:09 GMT <bhagyas> afaik, AWS features are only available on EE
2017-01-31 13:57:10 GMT <bhagyas> not CE
2017-01-31 13:57:24 GMT <bhagyas> so quite surprised at the question
2017-01-31 13:57:37 GMT <resplin> Currently the only AWS specific feature we have is S3. And we are discussing whether that should move to Community Edition.
2017-01-31 13:57:44 GMT <angelborroy> Sorry, but IMO this is out of joint
2017-01-31 13:57:49 GMT <bhagyas> It should be moved
2017-01-31 13:57:55 GMT <bhagyas> that's how it can get better
2017-01-31 13:58:15 GMT <resplin> It's all discussions at this point. Some of our architects find the allure of the AWS ecosystem to be compelling. And I'm trying to figure out what that does to our open source + open standards story.
2017-01-31 13:58:17 GMT <bhagyas> more surface = less bugs
2017-01-31 13:59:02 GMT <bhagyas> resplin: The community is already happy with what you've done with AOS
2017-01-31 13:59:09 GMT <bhagyas> so I won't expect a different reaction with AWS
2017-01-31 13:59:26 GMT <resplin> bhagyas: What do you mean when you say "what you've done with AOS"?
2017-01-31 13:59:28 GMT <IanW1> I've not seen anything in AWS that is sufficiently compelling to warrant tying to the platform
2017-01-31 13:59:41 GMT <bhagyas> (keeping AOS closed, but making it available to the community)
2017-01-31 13:59:49 GMT <angelborroy> IanW1 +1
2017-01-31 14:00:00 GMT <IanW1> And anyway what about all the customers who want to run on premise?
2017-01-31 14:00:11 GMT <resplin> The argument goes like this: AWS is moving faster than any other ecosystem in the history of technology. Their machine learning is great, dynamo is fantastic, lambdas are cool.. Analytics are easy. If we don't hitch ourselves there, someone else will and they will out innovate us.
2017-01-31 14:00:21 GMT <bhagyas> resplin: We partnered with Oracle to run CE on OCP before OCP even launched
2017-01-31 14:00:53 GMT <angelborroy> resplin Is this just a tecnhical discussion or is it a commercial one?
2017-01-31 14:01:01 GMT <resplin> bhagyas: Thanks for clarifying that you and I are talking about the same thing, rather than just integrating with a proprietary product.
2017-01-31 14:01:03 GMT <angelborroy> resplin technically there is no point on that
2017-01-31 14:01:18 GMT <resplin> IanW1: We find that share of our customers to decrease every year.
2017-01-31 14:01:58 GMT <angelborroy> resplin what abour your cloud?
2017-01-31 14:02:06 GMT <bhagyas> resplin: You need to also remind yourself of the fact that Amazon is building its own ECM
2017-01-31 14:02:10 GMT <resplin> Lately, we are discussing a lot about what our platform should look like five to ten years in the future. Will on-premise still be a thing? Will AWS and Azure be the only two clouds around? How will we compete in that world?
2017-01-31 14:02:24 GMT <resplin> bhagyas: Yes, that does come up a lot.
2017-01-31 14:02:46 GMT <bhagyas> resplin: I think you should look at a implementation independent cloud abstraction layer
2017-01-31 14:03:09 GMT <angelborroy> resplin micro-services approach is definitively required
2017-01-31 14:03:25 GMT <angelborroy> resplin Alfresco is better than any other in many features
2017-01-31 14:03:26 GMT <resplin> angelborroy: We are definitely moving in the direction of micro-services
2017-01-31 14:03:52 GMT <angelborroy> resplin so why don’t you integrate AWS or any other under this approach?
2017-01-31 14:04:10 GMT <resplin> bhagyas: We have looked a lot at Cloud Stack, which seems to be the best fit for us.
2017-01-31 14:04:20 GMT <resplin> But it is always a few years behind the leading edge.
2017-01-31 14:05:02 GMT <bhagyas> resplin: What about Cloud foundry?
2017-01-31 14:05:51 GMT <bhagyas> and Apache Stratos
2017-01-31 14:05:52 GMT <resplin> bhagyas: Sorry,my mistake. Cloud Foundry is my personal favorite. It is further along than Cloud Stack.
2017-01-31 14:06:02 GMT <resplin> I haven't looked at Apache Stratos yet.
2017-01-31 14:06:12 GMT <bhagyas> Stratos is pretty solid
2017-01-31 14:06:18 GMT <resplin> That is the fundamental question: we would move faster if we focused on only a single platform. Would that undermine what makes Alfresco great?
2017-01-31 14:06:24 GMT <bhagyas> and you can probably talk to WSO2 and get their help
2017-01-31 14:06:53 GMT <bhagyas> resplin: I don't see a direction to move faster
2017-01-31 14:07:12 GMT <resplin> Then you don't listen in this channel much. <grin>
2017-01-31 14:07:23 GMT <bhagyas> resplin: I was away for a month :p
2017-01-31 14:07:24 GMT <resplin> People always ask for things that we don't currently do, and won't be able to get to in the near future.
2017-01-31 14:07:40 GMT <resplin> analytics, machine learning, scalability being the top requests.
2017-01-31 14:07:51 GMT <resplin> All very hard problems, that Amazon has pretty much solved.
2017-01-31 14:07:54 GMT <bhagyas> resplin: As long as we can see a roadmap or a direction it should be easier for us to help
2017-01-31 14:08:08 GMT <resplin> That roadmap is what we are trying to create.
2017-01-31 14:08:16 GMT <bhagyas> resplin: For everything amazon has, there is an open source alternative
2017-01-31 14:08:21 GMT <resplin> Not true
2017-01-31 14:08:28 GMT <bhagyas> that gives a platform independent runtime
2017-01-31 14:08:50 GMT <bhagyas> how?
2017-01-31 14:08:55 GMT <resplin> I think there will be, eventually. But people don't want eventually.
2017-01-31 14:09:12 GMT <IanW1> Struggling to think how (serious) machine learning would help Alfresco...
2017-01-31 14:09:23 GMT <bhagyas> IanW1: xD
2017-01-31 14:09:24 GMT <bmejias> resplin no no no to your survey
2017-01-31 14:09:31 GMT <resplin> Thanks bmejias
2017-01-31 14:09:34 GMT <angelborroy> IanW1 much wanted in record management
2017-01-31 14:09:43 GMT <resplin> Would also drastically change search
2017-01-31 14:09:57 GMT <resplin> Other things too, like encrypted content, encrypted indexes, key management
2017-01-31 14:10:02 GMT <angelborroy> IanW1 having “free” classification tags is pure gold for records
2017-01-31 14:10:31 GMT <resplin> Analysis of content access to detect irregular activity.
2017-01-31 14:10:35 GMT <bhagyas> angelborroy: but you can pretty much do them without AWS
2017-01-31 14:10:36 GMT <IanW1> Not what I'd call serious :-)
2017-01-31 14:11:14 GMT <resplin> It sounds like this group is in the firm "not worth the cost in control"
2017-01-31 14:11:30 GMT <resplin> Which is where I currently feel.
2017-01-31 14:11:52 GMT <resplin> I think as an industry we will re-learn the lessons of the proprietary 1990's
2017-01-31 14:11:54 GMT <IanW1> +1
2017-01-31 14:11:56 GMT <bhagyas> resplin: For a start, I would like to see Alfresco upgrading all the libraries
2017-01-31 14:12:13 GMT <bhagyas> including Spring
2017-01-31 14:12:38 GMT <IanW1> +1 again! and perhaps fix the OWASP vuln in the alfresco libs while you're at it
2017-01-31 14:12:44 GMT <bhagyas> resplin: Also AWS is a fight Alfresco in its current state can't win
2017-01-31 14:12:53 GMT <resplin> bhagyas: We've looked at that. It's a lot of effort that doesn't yield much in terms of new capabilities.
2017-01-31 14:12:57 GMT <resplin> We are working on the OWASP vuln
2017-01-31 14:13:14 GMT <resplin> It's tricky.
2017-01-31 14:13:26 GMT <angelborroy> I think resplin is talking about general guidelines for the future
2017-01-31 14:13:34 GMT <bhagyas> Although we'd like to see Alfresco win, focusing on the cloud is exactly the wrong thing
2017-01-31 14:13:47 GMT <bhagyas> from what I remember, Alfresco has been on the cloud for more than 4 years
2017-01-31 14:13:49 GMT <angelborroy> This libraries upgrading and so is not a long term path
2017-01-31 14:14:01 GMT <bhagyas> and no one has taken it seriously :p
2017-01-31 14:14:39 GMT <angelborroy> Maybe Alfresco is targetting to a public that does not exists yet
2017-01-31 14:14:44 GMT <resplin> angelborroy exactly. But it does feed into the discussion around AWS. The more of these things we can delegate to an underlying vendor, the more we can focus on moving forward. Let Amazon handle as many libraries and as much securiyt as possible.
2017-01-31 14:14:44 GMT <IanW1> It's hard to look into the future but I suspect that AWS has peaked
2017-01-31 14:15:02 GMT <bhagyas> im sure architects might fight for the simplicity since they can get rid of maintained components
2017-01-31 14:15:06 GMT <bhagyas> but it doesn't mean they should
2017-01-31 14:15:23 GMT <bhagyas> since a lot of customers would choose Alfresco only because they can run in private servers
2017-01-31 14:15:31 GMT <angelborroy> resplin by moving to AWS you are reducing your public
2017-01-31 14:15:32 GMT <resplin> bhagyas: The argument is that our current AWS cloud product isn't compelling because it isn't AWS native--it doesn't benefit from the AWS features. It's just forklifted from on-premise.
2017-01-31 14:15:35 GMT <Loftux> When Alfresco started, it came to be because it was the first ECM worthy of its acronym that was open source. And it would not ever have done that if it wasn't for open source. So when the proprietary clouds offerings comes around, you cannot compete by going more closed source or tie-in. Just do the opposite.
2017-01-31 14:15:57 GMT <bmejias> thanks angelborroy, but is there a way to change those parameters (search limits) without restarting Alfresco?
2017-01-31 14:16:10 GMT <angelborroy> bmejias nope
2017-01-31 14:16:11 GMT <resplin> IanW1: I expect that AWS and public clouds in general are going to dominate. The economics of utility computing are overwhelming.
2017-01-31 14:16:17 GMT <bmejias> ok, thanks
2017-01-31 14:16:22 GMT <bhagyas> resplin: It's not compelling because its been lagging updates
2017-01-31 14:16:32 GMT <bhagyas> not becauses its not native
2017-01-31 14:16:34 GMT <angelborroy> bmejias maybe you can develop a standalone CMIS client and iterate over results
2017-01-31 14:16:43 GMT <bhagyas> there are plenty of platforms that win on AWS without being AWS nativE
2017-01-31 14:17:16 GMT <resplin> Loftux: That is well said. That's generally how I feel about it.
2017-01-31 14:17:39 GMT <bmejias> yeah, maybe
2017-01-31 14:18:12 GMT <IanW1> resplin: I was talking about AWS in particular not public clouds in general - public clouds are definitely here to stay, and AWS has a head start but I don't know how much market share it will have in the long term
2017-01-31 14:18:20 GMT <bhagyas> IanW1: +1
2017-01-31 14:18:50 GMT <bhagyas> resplin: I build and run some of my own stuff on Google AppEngine
2017-01-31 14:18:57 GMT <angelborroy> I know institutions using Google Drive instead of Alfresco because the have unlimited storage provided by Google
2017-01-31 14:19:16 GMT <bhagyas> but I always keep in mind that its someone elses machine
2017-01-31 14:19:27 GMT <angelborroy> So maybe there are not only tech or func reasons
2017-01-31 14:19:28 GMT <IanW1> I suspect that being tied to AWS is a greater negative than being AWS native is a positive
2017-01-31 14:19:31 GMT <bhagyas> and that moving away will come at a greater cost
2017-01-31 14:19:41 GMT <resplin> bhagyas: The AWS encryption and key management overcomes a lot of the concerns about it being someone else's machine.
2017-01-31 14:19:51 GMT <bhagyas> and Alfresco is not in the business of selling storage, or features
2017-01-31 14:19:55 GMT <bhagyas> but rather the solution
2017-01-31 14:20:05 GMT <bhagyas> so for Alfresco the better path is independence
2017-01-31 14:20:21 GMT <bhagyas> since that gives the biggest market surface
2017-01-31 14:20:34 GMT <angelborroy> resplin that is called electronic signature and there are plenty open source componentes for that
2017-01-31 14:20:39 GMT <bhagyas> angelborroy: xD
2017-01-31 14:20:51 GMT <resplin> angelborroy: AWS key management is much different from electronic signature.
2017-01-31 14:21:03 GMT <bhagyas> resplin: There are plenty of better ways to manage keys
2017-01-31 14:21:16 GMT <bhagyas> and each cloud platform has different ways
2017-01-31 14:21:24 GMT <resplin> bhagyas: That is the key problem
2017-01-31 14:21:30 GMT <bhagyas> so I don't see the point in seeing key management as a major relief
2017-01-31 14:21:32 GMT <resplin> each cloud platform does it differently
2017-01-31 14:21:55 GMT <resplin> Because it allows you to keep your content in AWS without giving up control of the content (though at a loss of control in the software)
2017-01-31 14:22:17 GMT <resplin> Many of our customers don't care about the system, so long as they control the content and can get it out of the system easily.
2017-01-31 14:22:22 GMT <Loftux> When I mention open source it is not only about the source code, it is what you can do with the platform. And that is where Alfresco should excel, cloud offering will only ever have pre-defined places to hook into to create a custom solution (if even that).
2017-01-31 14:22:39 GMT <IanW1> Actually I don't really care how things are implemented as long as they work but as a (former) enterprise architect I would care about being tied into a specific platform and if it wasn't one I was using already could kill things off very fast.
2017-01-31 14:22:57 GMT <bhagyas> resplin: Let's say you're selling cars, would you build cars that can only run on highways? because the highways are easier to navigate and faster to travel?
2017-01-31 14:23:13 GMT <bhagyas> (and offer key management)
2017-01-31 14:23:30 GMT <resplin> You would win a large market share very quickly. That sounds like a good problem to have!
2017-01-31 14:24:01 GMT <resplin> I appreciate the conversation. It is very useful. And I expect we will continue it.
2017-01-31 14:24:17 GMT <bhagyas> nobody would buy a car that can only run on highways, since everyone has to take an exit to get to a destination (facepalm)
2017-01-31 14:24:55 GMT <resplin> Your definition of highway is different from the western US. <grin>
2017-01-31 14:25:00 GMT <resplin> The philosophical question is about how open source factors in to a cloud-first world.
2017-01-31 14:25:11 GMT <bhagyas> resplin: The world is not cloud-first
2017-01-31 14:25:18 GMT <resplin> It will be. Soon.
2017-01-31 14:25:24 GMT <bhagyas> and none of the cloud ECMs have turned profits
2017-01-31 14:25:33 GMT <bhagyas> Box or Dropbox
2017-01-31 14:25:36 GMT <bhagyas> are still running at losses
2017-01-31 14:25:47 GMT <Loftux> bhagyas: Neither have Alfresco!
2017-01-31 14:25:51 GMT <bhagyas> Lfo
2017-01-31 14:25:57 GMT <bhagyas> Loftux: that's a different story ;p
2017-01-31 14:26:05 GMT <resplin> We accidentally turned a profit a few times when we didn't hit our hiring numbers!
2017-01-31 14:26:52 GMT <bhagyas> resplin: Being open and platform neautral is a USP for Alfresco, that Box or Dropbox cant have
2017-01-31 14:27:07 GMT <bhagyas> (which is why now you get a box.net local machine you can install in private servers)
2017-01-31 14:27:41 GMT <resplin> I completely agree with open source being a USP. I also agree with platform neutral being a USP, but not everyone agrees yet.
2017-01-31 14:27:42 GMT <bhagyas> when they realised they have to do it
2017-01-31 14:28:04 GMT <bhagyas> resplin: its okay to have people disagree
2017-01-31 14:28:15 GMT <resplin> If analysts are right and AWS is 60% of the total computing market in ten years, does platform neutral matter? A lot of successful companies built Windows-only businesses.
2017-01-31 14:28:27 GMT <bhagyas> resplin: and where are they now?
2017-01-31 14:28:31 GMT <resplin> bhagyas: I agree. This is a useful conversation.
2017-01-31 14:28:35 GMT <angelborroy> I think I going to close chat window no…
2017-01-31 14:28:41 GMT <angelborroy> no > now
2017-01-31 14:28:47 GMT <resplin> Oracle, Microsoft, SAP, doing really well. They will evolve, after making their money.
2017-01-31 14:29:03 GMT <angelborroy> all that companies are not my “way of life”
2017-01-31 14:29:09 GMT <bhagyas> angelborroy: :D
2017-01-31 14:29:18 GMT <angelborroy> and be compared with any of them is like an "insult"
2017-01-31 14:29:37 GMT <resplin> The Microsoft example is a good one, because there is a thriving industry of open source projects that are Microsoft-only. Which I have always found to be weird.
2017-01-31 14:29:38 GMT <bhagyas> angelborroy: Since i've worked with new Microsoft and Oracle, I'd disagree
2017-01-31 14:29:41 GMT <resplin> angelborroy: ++
2017-01-31 14:29:58 GMT <bhagyas> Oracle is amazing in terms of partner and customer support
2017-01-31 14:30:02 GMT <bhagyas> same is Microsoft
2017-01-31 14:30:06 GMT <resplin> And they do know how to make money!
2017-01-31 14:30:16 GMT <bhagyas> Alfresco comes no where close to customer support
2017-01-31 14:30:24 GMT <bhagyas> in comparison with them
2017-01-31 14:30:44 GMT <resplin> My ideal future: we excel by building the best ECM on Cloud Foundry, and helping that platform innovate. We could even offer some AWS only modules at an additional cost.
2017-01-31 14:30:53 GMT <IanW1> In my past life there were huge fights to get an application used when it only ran on tomcat not Websphere - war vs ear and no chance of mysql/postgres...
2017-01-31 14:30:59 GMT <bhagyas> resplin: That's something I can agree with
2017-01-31 14:31:06 GMT <AFaust> resplin: Serious disagreement on "[Cloud] will be [dominating]. Soon." - That is just from an America-centric point of view
2017-01-31 14:31:11 GMT <resplin> The challenge is selling that vision.
2017-01-31 14:31:25 GMT <bhagyas> resplin: You don't have to sell it, leave the job and let's fork
2017-01-31 14:31:26 GMT <bhagyas> ;)
2017-01-31 14:32:10 GMT <AFaust> resplin: German corporations will not trust American cloud providers with their most sensitive data. They don't even trust German providers that often...
2017-01-31 14:32:36 GMT <IanW1> I also agree with the idea of AWS only as an optional add in
2017-01-31 14:32:50 GMT <bhagyas> AFaust: Do Germans trust anyone?
2017-01-31 14:32:51 GMT <angelborroy> AFaust +1 for Spain but are a (ridiculous) small market
2017-01-31 14:32:57 GMT <AFaust> Especially as long as you guys (aka "the country") continue to play "make-believe" in terms of being the worlds foremost cop / snoop
2017-01-31 14:33:00 GMT * DarkStar_ feels there might be a partnership incentive being offered by amazon to Alfresco
2017-01-31 14:33:12 GMT <IanW1> Probably best not to get into how much we trust Americans at the moment....
2017-01-31 14:33:15 GMT <bhagyas> DarkStar_: Alfresco is too small for that ;p
2017-01-31 14:33:27 GMT <AFaust> bhagyas: Germans do trust other people - within reason.
2017-01-31 14:33:38 GMT <DarkStar_> bhagyas: you'd be surprised.
2017-01-31 14:33:52 GMT <IanW1> not that the UK is any better with data privacy
2017-01-31 14:34:07 GMT <DarkStar_> IanW1: ++
2017-01-31 14:34:37 GMT <AFaust> It is just that increasing privacy / data security requirements don't work when you give up physical control / access.
2017-01-31 14:34:43 GMT <bhagyas> DarkStar_: Since Alfresco will have to manage their own licensing and Alfresco is doing all the AWS promotion for free
2017-01-31 14:34:48 GMT <bhagyas> It's only AWS that wins
2017-01-31 14:34:52 GMT <Loftux> Host in Sweden! Our own version of NSA (FRA) is allowed to intercept any traffic crossing our borders…
2017-01-31 14:35:56 GMT <AFaust> Not to say that German BND isn't snooping as well, but at least in our country (in comparison to USA) they mostly follow the law/constitution...
2017-01-31 14:36:18 GMT <DarkStar_> If Alfresco tie in with AWS then it'll be the analogical effect of plunging a fulcrum into an already widening gap between it and the open source community.
2017-01-31 14:36:55 GMT <DarkStar_> In the short term it will appear beneficial but its market will stagnate
2017-01-31 14:37:12 GMT <DarkStar_> as people veer away to look for other more flexible alternatives
2017-01-31 14:37:27 GMT <bhagyas> We already have similar Alfresco template for OCP
2017-01-31 14:37:46 GMT <bhagyas> and Bitnami is already dominating 'cloud templates' business
2017-01-31 14:38:00 GMT <bhagyas> I really don't get the excitement about AWS ;p
2017-01-31 14:38:17 GMT <AFaust> DarkStar_: And here in Germany we have about 200 alternatives. They may be niche ones mostly, but most (if not all) of them cost just a fraction of Alfresco right now...
2017-01-31 14:39:04 GMT <AFaust> It is already difficult to position Alfresco against those because at least a handful of alternatives always fit "just right" in a specific request / tender
2017-01-31 14:40:32 GMT <bhagyas> resplin: I hope Cloud Foundary idea wins
2017-01-31 14:40:50 GMT <bhagyas> let us know if you need help justifying
2017-01-31 14:40:51 GMT <bhagyas> :)
2017-01-31 14:42:22 GMT <angelborroy> Maybe in the US is different, but here in Spain AWS is not “that cool”
2017-01-31 14:43:07 GMT <resplin> Sorry, I left to kick the kids off to school.
2017-01-31 14:43:34 GMT <resplin> AWS's approach to key management goes a long way to overcoming the concerns about snooping and vendors accessing data.
2017-01-31 14:44:40 GMT <resplin> But you are hitting the philosophical question: is open source fundamentally incompatible with a proprietary underlying platform? It sounds like you (collectively) believe it is. And yet many of you are using Community Edition in AWS.
2017-01-31 14:45:10 GMT <bhagyas> resplin: People are running on tomcat, not AWS
2017-01-31 14:45:14 GMT <angelborroy> resplin we are using it, but I’m using 1 in 50
2017-01-31 14:45:17 GMT <bhagyas> there is a difference
2017-01-31 14:45:37 GMT <resplin> bhagyas: Part of the fun with working at open source is that my job allows me to think about these things and contribute to how we move forward. Way more fun than forking!
2017-01-31 14:45:38 GMT <bhagyas> o_o
2017-01-31 14:46:07 GMT <resplin> I mean "working at Alfresco"
2017-01-31 14:46:17 GMT <angelborroy> so AWS for me is so important as the one that have a tower PC connected by ADSL
2017-01-31 14:46:26 GMT <angelborroy> in terms of representativiness
2017-01-31 14:46:30 GMT <AFaust> resplin: Only ever ran two instances of Alfresco on AWS. One was a demo environment - the other an environment to evaluate AWS as a platform for Alfresco for my very first Alfresco project...
2017-01-31 14:46:59 GMT <DarkStar_> Back in a bit.
2017-01-31 14:49:27 GMT <AFaust> resplin: In some circumstances in Germany you may have to provide physical access to your hosting environment for law enforcement / auditing agencies. Last time my old employer tried to get a large-ish German customer onto AWS for a specific use case I believe the project was scrubbed after AWS was unable to comply with basic legal and certification requirements after 9 months of back-and-forth
2017-01-31 14:50:27 GMT <AFaust> And that wasn't even a use case involving overly sensitive information...
2017-01-31 14:51:21 GMT <resplin> AFaust: That's interesting. I expect that AWS (and other cloud vendors) will resolve those sorts of regulatory problems over the next few years.
2017-01-31 14:51:54 GMT <AFaust> Cloud only has a chance to dominate once there is a kind of "United Earth" in terms of legislation properly aligned with technology and business requirements
2017-01-31 14:52:24 GMT <DarkStar1> bah mustt go
2017-01-31 14:52:44 GMT <AFaust> It is not a question of AWS or other vendors solving the issue - regulatory problems cannot be addressed by companies alone.
2017-01-31 14:52:52 GMT * DarkStar1 bids you all farewell
2017-01-31 14:54:08 GMT <AFaust> I.e. even with a German subsidiary of AWS there would still be the threat of US laws being forcefully used against the parent company to access German data...
2017-01-31 14:54:44 GMT <AFaust> The only way for AWS to solve this issue would be to topple and replace the goverment of either country and rewrite regulation itself...
2017-01-31 14:55:26 GMT <AFaust> and in terms of Germany, they would have to topple and replace EU leadership / other EU member country goverments to...
2017-01-31 14:56:30 GMT * AFaust realises that we need a kind of Mega Company seen only in dystopian science fiction movies to streamline everything so cloud can actually dominate in as little as 5 to 10 years.
2017-01-31 14:57:59 GMT <resplin> AWS is already sentient. I for one welcome my life as a battery.
2017-01-31 14:59:03 GMT <AFaust> Careful, or I'll send Neil DeGrasse Tyson after you to explain why the whole "humans as batteries" concept was scientifically inacurate...
2017-01-31 14:59:17 GMT <AFaust> or "stupid"
2017-01-31 15:00:11 GMT <resplin> lol
2017-01-31 15:00:29 GMT <resplin> He's generated by the Matrix. He's telling you what they want you to believe.
2017-01-31 15:01:54 GMT <resplin> I'm looking forward to continuing this discussion at BeeCon.
2017-01-31 16:43:06 GMT <resplin> ~later tell bmejias kgastaldo thinks we should use the PechaKucha format instead of Ignite style for lightning talks at BeeCon. It's the same idea, but 7 minutes instead of 5
2017-01-31 16:43:06 GMT <alfbot> resplin: The operation succeeded.
2017-01-31 16:43:41 GMT <angelborroy> resplin which is the advantage of 7 minutes instead of 5?
2017-01-31 16:43:57 GMT <resplin> Sometimes the 5 minutes just seems too short.
2017-01-31 16:45:11 GMT <angelborroy> 20x20 instead of 20x15
2017-01-31 16:45:29 GMT <angelborroy> So the same material but having 5 extra seconds
2017-01-31 16:45:56 GMT <angelborroy> I like the idea, because we are not English native speakers and we need more time to express our ideas
2017-01-31 16:46:14 GMT <angelborroy> resplin Great suggestion!
2017-01-31 16:47:01 GMT <resplin> It was Kristen's idea.
2017-01-31 16:47:16 GMT <fcorti> +1 to kgastaldo
2017-01-31 16:47:59 GMT <angelborroy> resplin but it was you the one to provide the right reminder and the appropiate “publicity” :)
2017-01-31 16:48:35 GMT <resplin> I'm great at taking credit for other people's ideas!
2017-01-31 16:48:37 GMT <resplin> grin
2017-01-31 16:50:21 GMT * AFaust activates cyninism
2017-01-31 16:50:30 GMT <AFaust> That is why you have "Manager" in your role description
2017-01-31 16:50:37 GMT * AFaust shuts it down again
2017-01-31 16:50:50 GMT <angelborroy> lol
2017-01-31 16:51:31 GMT <AFaust> resplin: I'd be really interested if there is a similar idiom in the English language concerning managers than one we have here.
2017-01-31 16:52:10 GMT <resplin> The PHB: Point-Haired-Boss
2017-01-31 16:52:15 GMT <resplin> Pointy
2017-01-31 16:54:00 GMT <AFaust> Roughly translated it goes like this: "He who believes that project managers manage projects, also believes that brimstone butterflies fold citrus fruit. (the name for brimstone butterflies in German literally means "s.o. folding citrus fruit")
2017-01-31 16:54:46 GMT <AFaust> yeah, the pointy-haired boss is just the embodiement of the stereotypes...
2017-01-31 16:55:45 GMT * AFaust thanks HexChat for learning that embodiement is incorrectly spelled - it needs to be embodiment...
2017-01-31 17:00:51 GMT <resplin> I'll have to think about that German idiom. It didn't translate well.
2017-01-31 17:04:39 GMT <AFaust> I know - stupid localized animal names...
2017-01-31 17:08:35 GMT <resplin> I get how the idiom works. I'm going to spend all day thinking about a similar play on words in English.
2017-01-31 17:08:57 GMT <resplin> Project managers manage projects like carpenter ants do carpentry.
2017-01-31 17:09:00 GMT <resplin> Or something like that .
2017-01-31 17:31:15 GMT <bgallet> is ThreadPoolExecutor deprecated ?
2017-01-31 17:31:25 GMT <bgallet> No bean named 'threadPoolExecutor' is defined
2017-01-31 17:46:47 GMT <resplin> ~later tell AFaust: Thinking that a Project Manager manages projects is like thinking that an Executive Secretary is a corporate executive. There, now I can move on!
2017-01-31 17:46:47 GMT <alfbot> resplin: The operation succeeded.
2017-01-31 19:12:06 GMT <alfbot> AFaust: Sent 1 hour and 25 minutes ago: <resplin> Thinking that a Project Manager manages projects is like thinking that an Executive Secretary is a corporate executive. There, now I can move on!
2017-01-31 21:15:22 GMT <eswbitto> where do I change the heap space amount for java in 5.1?
2017-01-31 21:32:38 GMT <rox> if installed with the installer, there is a tomcat/bin/setenv.sh where you can add Xms and Xmx parameters
2017-01-31 21:34:04 GMT <rox> otherwise in any place where JAVA_OPTS are used (e.g. catalina.sh)
2017-01-31 21:44:18 GMT <eswbitto> rox will setenv.sh change it for all? (tomcat, solr4, etc.)
2017-01-31 22:01:26 GMT <yreg> hey rox nice to see you around ;-)
2017-01-31 22:12:35 GMT <rox> eswbitto: it will change it for all wars deployed in that tomcat
2017-01-31 22:13:24 GMT <rox> assuming you installed alfresco, share, solr4 in the same tomcat - it will change the total heap allocated to these 3 apps
2017-01-31 22:13:40 GMT <rox> yreg: i thought you went to sleep
2017-01-31 22:23:04 GMT <yreg> LoL, almost never befor 1 AM
2017-01-31 22:23:06 GMT <yreg> hehe
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