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2017-11-08 07:49:25 GMT <twen> hello

2017-11-08 07:49:38 GMT <Tichodroma> good morning

2017-11-08 07:52:20 GMT <yreg> Good morning people !

2017-11-08 07:52:40 GMT <twen> Salut yreg o/

2017-11-08 07:53:03 GMT <yreg> Bonne journée à toi aussi Olivier !

2017-11-08 07:53:52 GMT <digcat> morning all

2017-11-08 08:13:21 GMT <twen> digcat o/

2017-11-08 09:04:27 GMT <digcat> ~later tell resplin, after yesterdays chat re oracles LTS plan, is it reasonable to ask alfresco to commit to openjdk as the primary java sdk? or will using alfresco require and oracle subscription ?

2017-11-08 09:04:27 GMT <alfbot> digcat: The operation succeeded.

2017-11-08 09:06:16 GMT <AFaust> digcat: I don't believe that LTS requires Oracle subscription

2017-11-08 09:06:25 GMT <AFaust> It is like the Ubuntu LTS - available for all

2017-11-08 09:07:32 GMT <digcat> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/eol-135779.html

2017-11-08 09:08:00 GMT <digcat> i guess its the ongoing updates then, that you would get with oracle subscription

2017-11-08 09:09:13 GMT <AFaust> Hmm, I may have gotten some information between multiple blog posts and this page crossed / wrong.

2017-11-08 09:09:39 GMT <AFaust> In some post I got the information that LTS would be supported for 3 years, but in the EOL page it is stated as 5 years

2017-11-08 09:10:03 GMT <AFaust> Though the EOL refers to Premier Support which - you are right - sounds like subscription-based

2017-11-08 09:11:50 GMT <digcat> so oracle do what oracle wants, what would be the best outcome for community ? support openjdk first ? or force all to go oracle subscription? am im being too simplistic?

2017-11-08 09:12:04 GMT <AFaust> Ok - in the Mark Reinhold blog post it stated: "Every three years, starting in September of 2018, the feature release will be a long-term support release. Updates for these releases will be available for at least three years and quite possibly longer, depending upon your vendor."

2017-11-08 09:12:54 GMT <AFaust> digcat. No, you are not being too simplistic. And to be honest, on any *nix based machines (that I set up instead of the customer) I have been using OpenJDK exclusively for the last 3-4 years

2017-11-08 09:14:11 GMT <digcat> yep, although ive noticed a few times using oracles jdk was needed but never really dug too far into it, I guess what would be nice would be alfresco committing to OpenJDK first, above oracles

2017-11-08 09:15:45 GMT <digcat> so when i say was needed, it resolves issues i was having (not particularly scientific)

2017-11-08 09:17:35 GMT <AFaust> Would be interesting to know where you noticed that Oracle JDK "was needed"....

2017-11-08 09:18:19 GMT <digcat> from memory it was on the beecon server, with issues around aaar, perhaps fcorti has some input on that, so might have been transient

2017-11-08 09:18:45 GMT <AFaust> Ah, so some non-standard extension, not core Alfresco

2017-11-08 09:18:54 GMT <digcat> yes

2017-11-08 09:19:07 GMT <AFaust> fcorti: What hack did you include in AAAR that required Oracle? Come on, spill the beans...

2017-11-08 09:19:08 GMT <fcorti> hello

2017-11-08 09:19:09 GMT <digcat> we had a few addons in play on that build

2017-11-08 09:19:16 GMT <digcat> hehe

2017-11-08 09:19:39 GMT <digcat> sorry francesco, just discussing oracles LTS situation

2017-11-08 09:20:23 GMT <digcat> i guess other addons may also use oracles jdk when being developed? which might lead to problems?

2017-11-08 09:20:55 GMT <yreg> ~since

2017-11-08 09:20:55 GMT <alfbot> yreg: Either yreg didn't leave, or no messages were sent while yreg was gone.

2017-11-08 09:21:18 GMT <AFaust> Well, developing with Oracle JDK and requiring it are two pair of shoes...

2017-11-08 09:21:45 GMT <fcorti> AFaust, digicat I don't remember any issue related to Oracle JDK vs OpenJDk... but my brain is not efordable

2017-11-08 09:21:57 GMT <AFaust> Since I am on Windows, I naturally develop with Oracle JDK, but unless you are a really bad programmer, you should never cause a situation where the code you develop requires Oracle JDK.

2017-11-08 09:22:51 GMT <AFaust> "bad" programmer = not necessarily bad in craftsmenship, but "bad" in terms of not caring for compatibility / portability

2017-11-08 09:22:53 GMT <digcat> i was just checking the issues queue on aaar and cant see anything

2017-11-08 09:24:10 GMT <digcat> i remember swapping out openjdk, for oracle jdk, and it sorted out a problem i was having with the build around aaar, but might be wrong

2017-11-08 09:24:26 GMT <digcat> wouldnt it be clearer though all round to take oracle jdk out of the mix

2017-11-08 09:25:01 GMT <digcat> and just use openjdk across the board, or is windows dev only available using oracles jdk? i dont build on windows if i can really help it

2017-11-08 09:25:23 GMT <fcorti> I usually recommend the oracle SDK because it was always recommended by Alfresco

2017-11-08 09:26:01 GMT <fcorti> But I don't rememebr specific issue (and I'm not saying that I hadn't)

2017-11-08 09:26:04 GMT <angelborroy> I always use Oracle SDK because Alfresco does not test the product with OpenJDK

2017-11-08 09:26:12 GMT <angelborroy> but I agree, it should work

2017-11-08 09:26:38 GMT <digcat> so back to my original question to richard wouldnt it be better for alfresco to recommend openjdk going forward?

2017-11-08 09:26:46 GMT <angelborroy> fcorti probably now with your “instant-docker” testing platform you can include OpenJDK in your Supported Stack

2017-11-08 09:27:34 GMT <AFaust> digcat: You can use OpenJDK on Windows as well. I did for preview builds of JDK 9 / 8 updates for my Nashorn bit...

2017-11-08 09:27:44 GMT <digcat> yep

2017-11-08 09:27:58 GMT <AFaust> But of course the "trust" is generally higher for the Oracle JDK

2017-11-08 09:37:22 GMT <digcat> does anyone know the history behind alfresco recommending oracles jdk, or was it since Sun days

2017-11-08 09:43:55 GMT <yreg> digcat, I guess Alfresco has a history of sticking to the old (and proven) stack

2017-11-08 09:44:49 GMT <yreg> so if that recommendation came along at some point, I bet that they would continue to carry it along even if there was no real reason for that

2017-11-08 09:47:22 GMT <AFaust> digcat. Reading an interview on a German site that suggest that indeed there might not be a free, public support for Oracle Java...

2017-11-08 09:47:41 GMT <digcat> yes

2017-11-08 09:47:43 GMT <AFaust> And that Oracle JDK binaries should be more closely aligned to OpenJDK binaries (or other way around)...

2017-11-08 09:50:01 GMT * AFaust really hopes that discussing this here won't be noticed by too many people in the community, so he can still put a slide in his lightning talk about "No more supported Oracle Java - we are all going to die"...

2017-11-08 09:52:09 GMT <digcat> well its been on the horizon a while, but one of those things we hope gets sorted out in an amicable way but the more I read the less hopeful I become

2017-11-08 09:52:31 GMT <digcat> and better to be ahead of it

2017-11-08 09:53:26 GMT <douglascrp> morning all

2017-11-08 09:54:05 GMT <douglascrp> http://douglascrp.blogspot.com.br/2017/11/how-to-add-missing-minification-of.html

2017-11-08 09:54:06 GMT <alfbot> Title: IT Tips: How to add the missing minification of javascript files in Alfresco SDK 3.0 (at douglascrp.blogspot.com.br)

2017-11-08 09:54:21 GMT <douglascrp> please, feedback

2017-11-08 09:54:28 GMT <douglascrp> brb

2017-11-08 09:59:40 GMT <yreg> douglascrp, isn't a bit too early for you?

2017-11-08 10:05:40 GMT <AFaust> douglascrp: Creating *-min.js files in the same folders where your source lives is very bad style. In a proper project setup, this should not be necessary. Of course I realise that some of the funky magic that SDK tries to do may be incompatible with a proper project setup, and such an issue is one of the reasons why I decided not to use it.

2017-11-08 10:08:47 GMT <digcat> hey bmejias how are you going, settling into your new gig

2017-11-08 10:10:20 GMT <pjlucidi> Hi guys, considering a custom workflow in the Alfresco Content Services instance, when I use the Mobile app, it will use the Workflow API or I have to invest some effort to extend also the mobile app?

2017-11-08 10:10:57 GMT <pjlucidi> I knew something about the Workflow API inside the Public API

2017-11-08 10:11:10 GMT <bmejias> hi digcat, I'm doing great....

2017-11-08 10:11:14 GMT <pjlucidi> but there is no mention about this

2017-11-08 10:11:20 GMT <bmejias> yes, things are progressing over here...

2017-11-08 10:12:00 GMT <digcat> ahh good to hear

2017-11-08 10:12:50 GMT <angelborroy> pjlucidi afaik workflows are integrated in Mobile app

2017-11-08 10:13:00 GMT <bmejias> and how are you doing digcat? planing to attend DevCon?

2017-11-08 10:13:12 GMT <digcat> hoping so, how about you?

2017-11-08 10:13:30 GMT <bmejias> it's also on my agenda.

2017-11-08 10:13:40 GMT <bmejias> I hope nothing changes that

2017-11-08 10:13:55 GMT <digcat> reminds me when the tickets going on sale fcorti

2017-11-08 10:14:16 GMT <bmejias> AFaust, is that your title for your lightning talk submission? It sounds great.

2017-11-08 10:14:21 GMT <bmejias> I hope it will get accepted.

2017-11-08 10:14:48 GMT <bmejias> digcat I just remember that "early" bird ends on 31st of December.

2017-11-08 10:14:54 GMT <digcat> yep

2017-11-08 10:14:59 GMT <digcat> http://devcon.alfresco.com/

2017-11-08 10:15:00 GMT <alfbot> Title: Alfresco Developer Conference (at devcon.alfresco.com)

2017-11-08 10:15:13 GMT <digcat> the register page, but no for sale yet

2017-11-08 10:15:21 GMT <bmejias> less than three weeks before the conference.... that sounds more like "procrastinating early bird" rate

2017-11-08 10:15:49 GMT <digcat> hehe, yep

2017-11-08 10:16:07 GMT <digcat> will be interesting to see if as good as beecon :)

2017-11-08 10:18:14 GMT <bmejias> it will depend a lot on the speakers...

2017-11-08 10:18:24 GMT <bmejias> so I'm not afraid

2017-11-08 10:18:54 GMT <bmejias> from the people I know that made a submission, it's looking good (if they get accepted)

2017-11-08 10:24:49 GMT <fcorti> digcat... ticket on sale asap

2017-11-08 10:25:05 GMT <fcorti> Kristen is struggling with VAT

2017-11-08 10:25:08 GMT <digcat> end of the week?

2017-11-08 10:25:18 GMT <fcorti> once defined... they will be live

2017-11-08 10:25:24 GMT <digcat> we all struggle with VAT :)

2017-11-08 10:25:44 GMT <fcorti> well, it was planned for the last week...

2017-11-08 10:25:55 GMT <fcorti> yes, it should be a matter of days

2017-11-08 10:26:02 GMT <digcat> good stuff

2017-11-08 10:26:35 GMT <digcat> maybe should take some advise from the paradise papers? route via the Cayman islands or something :)

2017-11-08 10:26:54 GMT <fcorti> do you mean about VAT definition?

2017-11-08 10:27:14 GMT <digcat> hehe, seems as simple tax structure might be needed

2017-11-08 10:27:48 GMT <digcat> VAT definition?? whats the confusion?

2017-11-08 10:27:56 GMT <fcorti> not so simple

2017-11-08 10:28:10 GMT <digcat> in the US you have sales tax, which is far more bewildering i would have thought

2017-11-08 10:28:26 GMT <fcorti> Alfresco is not based on Portugal and we need to pay VAT there for the ticket

2017-11-08 10:28:33 GMT <fcorti> tickets

2017-11-08 10:28:51 GMT <fcorti> trying to find the correct way to do it... again, Kristen is dealing with it

2017-11-08 10:29:03 GMT <fcorti> and it is not extremely simple

2017-11-08 10:29:13 GMT <fcorti> it's legal stuff... nothing for developers :-P

2017-11-08 10:29:18 GMT <digcat> wow, seems the likes of google etc, use a structure, where they provide a loan for using the brand,

2017-11-08 10:29:39 GMT <fcorti> considering the interest I receive, we have to discuss about the max number of tickets avalable

2017-11-08 10:29:43 GMT <fcorti> available

2017-11-08 10:29:54 GMT <digcat> yep, the correct way to do things, i guess would have been to do from maidenhead

2017-11-08 10:30:09 GMT <fcorti> I feel like they will finish quite early ;-)

2017-11-08 10:30:30 GMT <digcat> so alfresco pushing to all the enterprise customers now

2017-11-08 10:30:41 GMT <fcorti> naaaaa

2017-11-08 10:32:12 GMT <digcat> are alfresco giving away tickets to enterprise customers? ie using as a sales tool for new customers? or everyone is on the same level,

2017-11-08 10:33:28 GMT <fcorti> all on the same level

2017-11-08 10:33:29 GMT <digcat> and will everyone be given same level passes, unlike previous devcons, where customers, partners are segregated from non customers with different colours on their pass ribbons

2017-11-08 10:34:35 GMT <fcorti> I don't know about the colours... but I'm not aware about "private" or "exclusive" rooms/events/talks/initiatives

2017-11-08 10:34:53 GMT <digcat> good to hear

2017-11-08 10:34:56 GMT <fcorti> The unique difference is about day zero

2017-11-08 10:35:10 GMT <fcorti> but it is not related to Customer/...

2017-11-08 10:35:37 GMT <fcorti> it's related to attending the hackathon, certifcation training, getting started courses....

2017-11-08 10:35:46 GMT <fcorti> I'll write a blog post on this

2017-11-08 10:35:51 GMT <fcorti> to clarify

2017-11-08 10:35:51 GMT <digcat> yep ok

2017-11-08 10:48:56 GMT <pjlucidi> thank you angelborroy!

2017-11-08 10:48:59 GMT <bmejias> digcat, I never saw those colours as segregation, more like a useful way to identify the people you were talking to

2017-11-08 10:49:23 GMT <digcat> well the name badge would be enough no?

2017-11-08 10:53:25 GMT <douglascrp> AFaust, indeed, but there is other way, at least, not that I know

2017-11-08 10:54:03 GMT <douglascrp> yreg, yes, it is... I had to work until 3 AM this night

2017-11-08 11:01:02 GMT <bmejias> digcat the point is that at Summit there were two large groups, one more technical, and one more business oriented, so, it helped in case of knowing the level of the conversation...

2017-11-08 11:01:14 GMT <bmejias> of course, you can figure that out just by talking

2017-11-08 11:01:23 GMT <bmejias> but it was extra information...

2017-11-08 11:01:46 GMT <bmejias> I don't have a strong position about it... it's just that "segregation" sounded odd

2017-11-08 11:02:16 GMT <digcat> yes, maybe a little strong, more an unnecessary difference,

2017-11-08 11:03:18 GMT <digcat> imho

2017-11-08 11:07:28 GMT <bmejias> yeah, actually we could deal without those colours pretty well... name is definitely important

2017-11-08 11:07:49 GMT <bmejias> some other info such as twitter account or irc nickname would be cool too

2017-11-08 11:08:30 GMT <bmejias> fcorti could you add that info to the registration form, so that it can be add to the badge?

2017-11-08 11:13:43 GMT <fcorti> bmejias, got it, let me pass this to Kristen

2017-11-08 11:14:01 GMT <digcat> yes, good idea boris

2017-11-08 11:45:39 GMT <_david_____> hello!

2017-11-08 11:46:39 GMT <_david_____> is there an easier way to assign groups to a bulk of users (created via CSV file) than going one by one adding them???

2017-11-08 11:46:55 GMT <angelborroy> REST API

2017-11-08 11:47:02 GMT <angelborroy> or alfresco-shell-tools addon

2017-11-08 11:47:41 GMT <_david_____> alfresco-shell-tools has bulk group assignment?

2017-11-08 11:48:03 GMT <angelborroy> is the same as REST API but using curl

2017-11-08 11:51:46 GMT <_david_____> I'm checking it right nao! thanks!

2017-11-08 12:02:38 GMT <_david_____> which tool would you use to assign a group to a user? alfUpdateUser does not do that

2017-11-08 12:04:38 GMT <_david_____> becaue alfAddmember does no exist?

2017-11-08 12:04:45 GMT <_david_____> because alfAddmember does no exist?

2017-11-08 12:09:20 GMT <_david_____> OK, found it... whoah that's cool (y)

2017-11-08 12:09:43 GMT <_david_____> b thumbs up

2017-11-08 12:28:04 GMT <_david_____> OK... I am having a problem because when sending out the email, it's using the new user email as From, instead of the authenticated user at the MTA... is there a field that fixates this field by any chance?

2017-11-08 12:37:51 GMT <mtsiak> hi all. From system performance point of view, could you please tell me if this chart seems ok: https://ibb.co/maVwqw

2017-11-08 12:46:43 GMT <mtsiak> 4cpu - 2.3 MHz, 8G RAM

2017-11-08 12:48:41 GMT <mtsiak> (sorry, just 4 cpu, 8G RAM)

2017-11-08 12:53:12 GMT <digcat> mtsiak depends on load, is everything running on same box?

2017-11-08 12:53:30 GMT <digcat> have seen worse with that sort of spec

2017-11-08 12:53:53 GMT <digcat> first suggestion would be move the db onto own box

2017-11-08 12:57:26 GMT <mtsiak> the db is not in the same vm. only /share, /alfresco, libre and sorl4 (alfresco 5.2)

2017-11-08 13:00:48 GMT <mtsiak> users are about 30, and 624.452 documents.

2017-11-08 13:02:29 GMT <angelborroy> ~HtmlLogger flushlog

2017-11-08 13:02:29 GMT <alfbot> angelborroy: Woooosh, your log has been flushed...

2017-11-08 13:07:14 GMT <AxelFaust> mtsiak: I am a bit curious about the memory usage graph. There are GC cycles in there but soon after the GC cycle, usage is back to before and continuously growing

2017-11-08 13:08:25 GMT <AxelFaust> Does it reset again (after the timeframe shown in the graph)?

2017-11-08 13:08:29 GMT <_david_____> 13:07:55,013 ERROR [org.alfresco.repo.action.executer.MailActionExecuter] Failed to send email to alex2_test_alex@mailinator.com : org.springframework.mail.MailSendException: Failed messages: javax.mail.SendFailedException: Invalid Addresses;

2017-11-08 13:08:30 GMT <_david_____> nested exception is:

2017-11-08 13:08:30 GMT <_david_____> com.sun.mail.smtp.SMTPAddressFailedException: 554 5.7.1 <alex2_test_alex@mailinator.com>: Recipient address rejected: Sender is not same as SMTP authenticate username

2017-11-08 13:08:30 GMT <_david_____> ; message exceptions (1) are:

2017-11-08 13:08:31 GMT <_david_____> Failed message 1: javax.mail.SendFailedException: Invalid Addresses;

2017-11-08 13:08:33 GMT <_david_____> nested exception is:

2017-11-08 13:08:35 GMT <_david_____> com.sun.mail.smtp.SMTPAddressFailedException: 554 5.7.1 <alex2_test_alex@mailinator.com>: Recipient address rejected: Sender is not same as SMTP authenticate username

2017-11-08 13:09:28 GMT <_david_____> I cannot make this work: I need the Sender to be my Authorized user, the one that makes the SMTP authentication... is there a way to get this?

2017-11-08 13:09:29 GMT <AxelFaust> mtsiak: Looks like you are using the Alfresco recommendation regarding -XX:+UseConcMarkSweep - I usually use -XX:+UseG1GC nowadays which is a bit more relaxed on running GC cycles

2017-11-08 13:11:02 GMT <mtsiak> yes i set UseConcMarkSweep. ok. will try G1GC

2017-11-08 13:11:59 GMT <AxelFaust> _david_____ I don't think that will be possible unless you patch / modify all email-sending code in Alfresco to always use the configured user used for authentication...

2017-11-08 13:12:36 GMT <AxelFaust> That rule in your SMTP server is simply too restrictive for the use case of a system sending emails on behalf of its users

2017-11-08 13:12:58 GMT <_david_____> I have found a property mail.from.enabled

2017-11-08 13:13:25 GMT <_david_____> maybe this works... yes, it is very restrictive, but the one that's permissive does not have SPF and half the emails bounce back, rejected :-(

2017-11-08 13:33:22 GMT <mtsiak> AxelFaust https://pastebin.com/G5Z6GSbD

2017-11-08 13:33:23 GMT <alfbot> Title: JAVA_OPTS="-Xms1G -Xmx6G -Xss1024k " JAVA_OPTS="$JAVA_OPTS -XX:+UseConcMarkSw - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)

2017-11-08 13:34:02 GMT <mtsiak> -XX:+UseParNewGC should stay?

2017-11-08 13:44:34 GMT <AxelFaust> No

2017-11-08 13:44:52 GMT <AxelFaust> -XX:+UseParNewGC is also obsolete when using G1

2017-11-08 13:45:37 GMT <AxelFaust> You should also avoid MaxPermSize and NewSize

2017-11-08 13:45:58 GMT <AxelFaust> NewSize is already bad style when using ConcMarkSweepGC

2017-11-08 13:46:27 GMT <AxelFaust> MaxPermSize is obsolete since Java 8 (you'll see a warning in the logs typically)

2017-11-08 13:46:52 GMT <AxelFaust> I have also never seen the point of ReservedCodeCacheSize. This is a remnant from a very old Alfresco version with a very old Rhino version, AFAIK

2017-11-08 13:47:46 GMT <AxelFaust> But I am not recommending removal of it, since I simply do not know what kind of problems people may encounter without it. I am just saying I never had to set it and never ran into any problems without it

2017-11-08 13:48:08 GMT <AxelFaust> Note that the Xss setting is absolutely redundant because the value being set is the default value anyway

2017-11-08 13:48:41 GMT <AxelFaust> And you should typically always set Xmx and Xmx to the same value to avoid overhead growing / shrinking the heap, and also allowing GC to optimise better

2017-11-08 14:06:43 GMT <resplin> digcat: As Oracle JDK and OpenJDK have gotten closer, it isn't as big a risk to use OpenJDK. Our biggest challenge is that some of our customers are scared of GPL licensing even with the ClassPath exception.

2017-11-08 14:06:43 GMT <alfbot> resplin: Sent 5 hours and 2 minutes ago: <digcat> yesterdays chat re oracles LTS plan, is it reasonable to ask alfresco to commit to openjdk as the primary java sdk? or will using alfresco require and oracle subscription ?

2017-11-08 14:07:10 GMT <digcat> any chance community could be tested on openjdk?

2017-11-08 14:08:10 GMT <resplin> It used to be as part of our Ubuntu stack. I haven't checked if it still is. It's a pain to maintain another QA stack though.

2017-11-08 14:09:08 GMT <AxelFaust> Well - looks like Oracle JDK will be GPL too

2017-11-08 14:09:17 GMT <digcat> im assuming requiring an oracle subscription for java, even if you dont use oracle, if it comes to tuition, will be an issue for enterprise customers?

2017-11-08 14:09:38 GMT <digcat> fruition even

2017-11-08 14:09:38 GMT <resplin> Yeah, that's part of the complexity here. But we only have to support the JRE, and the release didn't specifiy the license.

2017-11-08 14:09:56 GMT <AxelFaust> I hate running any application on JRE only...

2017-11-08 14:10:06 GMT <digcat> seems they are suggesting jre is bundled with the app going forward

2017-11-08 14:10:29 GMT <AxelFaust> ugh

2017-11-08 14:11:53 GMT <digcat> or the jdk, looking for that post, 2 mins

2017-11-08 14:13:26 GMT <digcat> well here was the info re packaging, https://docs.oracle.com/javase/9/deploy/self-contained-application-packaging.htm#JSDPG583

2017-11-08 14:13:27 GMT <alfbot> Title: Self-Contained Application Packaging (at docs.oracle.com)

2017-11-08 14:15:29 GMT <digcat> Oracle does not plan to migrate desktops from Java 8 to Java 9 through the auto update feature. Instead of relying on a pre-installed standalone JRE, we will begin encouraging application developers to deliver JREs with their applications. More details will be made available through early 2018.

2017-11-08 14:15:43 GMT <digcat> http://www.oracle.com/us/technologies/java/eol-135779.html

2017-11-08 14:16:59 GMT <digcat> if im reading that right?

2017-11-08 14:18:39 GMT <digcat> a good java 9 video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtcTftvj0d0

2017-11-08 14:18:58 GMT <douglascrp> AxelFaust, I have a customer where I tried to use G1

2017-11-08 14:19:14 GMT <douglascrp> once I enabled it, the performance became worst than before

2017-11-08 14:19:31 GMT <douglascrp> in this case, the JVM is shared by alfresco, share and solr

2017-11-08 14:19:43 GMT <douglascrp> I can imagine solr didn't like it

2017-11-08 14:20:19 GMT <douglascrp> maybe using different JVMs, with different configuration would be better, G1 for alfresco and share, and ConcMarkSweepGC for solr

2017-11-08 14:20:24 GMT <douglascrp> what do you think?

2017-11-08 14:21:05 GMT <digcat> and modules in java 9, easier to build from ground up, than take a monolith and go backwoods,

2017-11-08 14:29:41 GMT <AxelFaust> douglascrp: Yeah, sharing applications in the same JVM is bad, especially since each have their own specific GC load profile

2017-11-08 14:29:50 GMT <AxelFaust> I never deploy them into the same Tomcat

2017-11-08 14:30:11 GMT <douglascrp> AxelFaust, that is the answer I was waiting from you

2017-11-08 14:30:14 GMT <douglascrp> tks for confirming that

2017-11-08 14:30:30 GMT <douglascrp> yes, I know that is not a good idea, but this customer decided to keep it simple

2017-11-08 14:30:31 GMT <AxelFaust> SOLR is the only component where I do not unconditionally suggest using G1GC, since I know Bindu and others have talked about problems (that I never observed myself)

2017-11-08 14:30:42 GMT <douglascrp> AxelFaust, interesting

2017-11-08 14:31:07 GMT <douglascrp> but I saw G1 keeps the memory use really low

2017-11-08 14:31:33 GMT <douglascrp> with more constant maintenance, with not that much stop the world :D

2017-11-08 14:31:54 GMT <douglascrp> I will suggest that change in the first maintenance we will have

2017-11-08 14:32:37 GMT <douglascrp> ok, luch time

2017-11-08 14:32:39 GMT <douglascrp> brb

2017-11-08 15:31:02 GMT <bhagyas> AxelFaust: Happy Birthday!

2017-11-08 15:31:13 GMT <AxelFaust> Thanks...

2017-11-08 15:31:31 GMT <AxelFaust> I guess you are the first one here in the main channel, and very untypical for you, even without [nolog]

2017-11-08 15:37:19 GMT <AxelFaust> Was he just here for that?

2017-11-08 15:37:23 GMT * AxelFaust is feeling honored

2017-11-08 16:17:15 GMT <yreg> AxelFaust, regarding that utility project of yours

2017-11-08 16:17:34 GMT <yreg> is every option enabled by default and need to be disabled explicitely if not needed ?

2017-11-08 16:17:49 GMT <yreg> or is it disabled by default and can be enabled on an opt-in basis ?

2017-11-08 16:25:23 GMT <douglascrp> AxelFaust, happy birthday

2017-11-08 16:26:15 GMT <AxelFaust> yreg: Almost ever feature / option is enbled by default, yes.

2017-11-08 16:29:33 GMT <AxelFaust> I am aware of the opt-in vs. opt-out

2017-11-08 16:38:25 GMT <AxelFaust> douglascrp: of course, thanks

2017-11-08 16:55:04 GMT <DarkStar1> AxelFaust: Feliz cumpleaños amigo.

2017-11-08 16:55:24 GMT <DarkStar1> AxelFaust: Wish you a good celebration and presents.

2017-11-08 16:58:03 GMT <AxelFaust> Thanks

2017-11-08 17:01:46 GMT <digcat> ahh yes happy birthday returns, hope you have a good one!

2017-11-08 17:32:44 GMT <digcat> ^^ AxelFaust: birthday wishes, https://d1yr0i8ssxc268.cloudfront.net/card/56c5d146e4b0dddac98220b2/56c5d146e4b0dddac98220b2_592d9d53e4b01b80c12f981c.jpg?version=1

2017-11-08 17:54:43 GMT <resplin> DarkStar1 is using Spanish now? How many languages does he know?

2017-11-08 17:55:04 GMT <douglascrp> resplin, danish and swidsh

2017-11-08 17:55:10 GMT <douglascrp> not sure about the spelling

2017-11-08 17:55:20 GMT <resplin> Swedish

2017-11-08 17:55:20 GMT <douglascrp> and french also

2017-11-08 17:55:28 GMT <douglascrp> tks

2017-11-08 17:55:30 GMT <resplin> And his tribal language from growing up?

2017-11-08 17:55:34 GMT <douglascrp> lol

2017-11-08 17:55:35 GMT <resplin> Impressive, impressive.

2017-11-08 17:55:51 GMT <resplin> DarkStar1: Are you excited for winter?

2017-11-08 17:55:52 GMT <DarkStar1> yo no hablo español.

2017-11-08 17:56:29 GMT <resplin> Do you think you've settled in Denmark permanently?

2017-11-08 17:56:30 GMT <DarkStar1> :)

2017-11-08 17:56:39 GMT <DarkStar1> resplin: Sweden now :)

2017-11-08 17:56:50 GMT <resplin> Oh, I hadn't realized that.

2017-11-08 17:56:56 GMT <resplin> You just keep going north!

2017-11-08 17:57:08 GMT <resplin> Do they have good Internet north of the circle?

2017-11-08 17:58:32 GMT <resplin> My guess is that every couple of years you get bored speaking the same language.

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