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2017-11-21 07:06:56 GMT <twen> Good morning

2017-11-21 07:22:50 GMT <MorganP> Morning

2017-11-21 09:00:10 GMT <mtsiak> hi all. In alfresco 5.2, can i limit edit/add permitions of Tags only for site'administrators?

2017-11-21 09:06:37 GMT <angelborroy> mtsiak you want to show/hide Share action for managing Tags?

2017-11-21 09:17:05 GMT <mtsiak> In the documents' edit-metadata view, users can select to add/ edit tags. In the popup where users choose one or more tags, they can also add a new one.

2017-11-21 09:17:46 GMT <angelborroy> probably I’m missing something

2017-11-21 09:18:18 GMT <angelborroy> So you want that regular users only can select pre-existing tags, right?

2017-11-21 09:23:23 GMT <angelborroy> You can develop a behaviour on cm:taggable and thorw an Exception if users it’s not Site Admin

2017-11-21 09:23:36 GMT <angelborroy> it’s not very user friendly but it’s fast to implement

2017-11-21 09:36:03 GMT <mtsiak> ok. thanks angel. I thought that i could define permissions for creating tags granded for a certain group.

2017-11-21 09:36:53 GMT <angelborroy> mtsiak I don’t thik so

2017-11-21 09:37:21 GMT <angelborroy> Probably you can override web script to check permissions, but I think that the page is self-contained

2017-11-21 09:37:29 GMT <angelborroy> so no granuratilty can be applied to operations

2017-11-21 09:38:34 GMT <mtsiak> ok, thanks.

2017-11-21 09:46:24 GMT <yreg> mtsiak, angelborroy categories/tags are actually nodes on a specific location in the repository, I bet that you could restrict permissions on the root tag node to only othoriza a particular set of users to create new tags

2017-11-21 09:46:52 GMT <angelborroy> yreg not really

2017-11-21 09:47:16 GMT <angelborroy> how can you restrict access to only Site Administrators?

2017-11-21 09:47:26 GMT <angelborroy> some dynamic group?

2017-11-21 09:47:49 GMT <angelborroy> probably it’s easier to restrict cm:taggable association in folders and documents inside a Site

2017-11-21 09:48:00 GMT <yreg> well he can create a specefic group GROUP_TAG_CREATORS

2017-11-21 09:48:15 GMT <yreg> and use admin console to add users with create tags rights

2017-11-21 09:48:25 GMT <angelborroy> yep, I was thinking on something like this

2017-11-21 09:48:26 GMT <yreg> this would involve way less coding

2017-11-21 09:48:34 GMT <angelborroy> but I don’t like to “play” with default permissions

2017-11-21 09:50:09 GMT <yreg> I wouldn't expect anything to break TBH

2017-11-21 09:50:19 GMT <yreg> seems straight forward

2017-11-21 09:50:53 GMT <angelborroy> probably you’re right

2017-11-21 09:51:11 GMT <angelborroy> you know, I’m older and cautios :D

2017-11-21 10:10:56 GMT <qwebirc57729> Has any one ever used this addon https://addons.alfresco.com/addons/hadoop-content-store

2017-11-21 10:10:58 GMT <alfbot> Title: Hadoop Content Store | Alfresco Add-ons - Alfresco Customizations (at addons.alfresco.com)

2017-11-21 10:12:30 GMT <qwebirc57729> I want to do big data analysis (using hadoop) on files store in alfresco repository

2017-11-21 10:13:13 GMT <yreg> qwebirc57729, I wouldn't trust that addon

2017-11-21 10:13:20 GMT <qwebirc57729> What would be the best approach to get the data from repository and store in it HDFS file system

2017-11-21 10:13:23 GMT <yreg> it is clear that it is not maintained

2017-11-21 10:13:36 GMT <qwebirc57729> oh thanks yreg

2017-11-21 10:14:10 GMT <yreg> if you want to get some analytics on top of alfresco, I would say Alflytics is the way to go

2017-11-21 10:14:23 GMT <yreg> or if you are already on Solr6/Alfresco 5.2

2017-11-21 10:14:43 GMT <yreg> then you might get some cool stuff already uusing the SQL connector to solr

2017-11-21 10:15:13 GMT <qwebirc57729> thanks yreg, I'll give it a try

2017-11-21 10:15:17 GMT <yreg> (never tried it myself but I heard it did provide some basic repository analytics features

2017-11-21 10:15:54 GMT <qwebirc57729> thanks

2017-11-21 10:16:48 GMT <yreg> qwebirc57729, just googled it and seems that the SQL handler in alfresco solr 6 is quite new (probably not yet released)

2017-11-21 10:17:39 GMT <yreg> so might be better to stick to proven solutions like AAAR (or Alflytics for 5.2+)

2017-11-21 10:21:37 GMT <yreg> fcorti, I have a question and not sure it you are the right person to investigate

2017-11-21 10:21:57 GMT <fcorti> hi yreg

2017-11-21 10:22:03 GMT <fcorti> morning qwebirc57729

2017-11-21 10:22:08 GMT <fcorti> I can take this

2017-11-21 10:22:39 GMT <yreg> would it possible to setup some integration between github/issue tracker to be able to navigate both ways from code base and referenced issues and from issues of concern and PRs/commits related ?

2017-11-21 10:25:13 GMT <fcorti> qwebirc57729 is not released

2017-11-21 10:25:47 GMT <fcorti> qwebirc57729 the SQL handler is not released yet

2017-11-21 10:29:25 GMT <qwebirc57729> morning @fcorti, thanks for the information

2017-11-21 10:30:03 GMT <yreg> qwebirc57729, and from the look of it it will be an enterprise only feature

2017-11-21 10:33:14 GMT <qwebirc57729> oh

2017-11-21 10:33:29 GMT <qwebirc57729> oh :(

2017-11-21 10:35:46 GMT <fcorti> sorry, I'm in a call

2017-11-21 10:36:04 GMT <fcorti> comin soon

2017-11-21 10:38:40 GMT <mtsiak> And one more: can i delete everything in alf_data/contentstore.deleted ?

2017-11-21 10:40:12 GMT <bhuvana_> Hi all, I am using alfresco 5.2.d and want to remove download permission for consumer role and if required should able to remove for other user roles. I could not find permissionDefinition.xml in the new version. Where shall I configure it. Please help.

2017-11-21 10:44:56 GMT <yreg> mtsiak, short answer is YES

2017-11-21 10:45:26 GMT <yreg> you might need it if you had a request to recover a document after it got purged from Alfresco bin

2017-11-21 10:48:10 GMT <mtsiak> ok, thanks. it is a staging vm, and I want to release some space.

2017-11-21 10:49:54 GMT <yreg> bhuvana_, there is actually no permission for that : ReadContent implicitely includes download

2017-11-21 10:50:50 GMT <angelborroy> mtsiak https://github.com/keensoft/alfresco-deleted-content-store-cleaner

2017-11-21 10:50:51 GMT <alfbot> Title: GitHub - keensoft/alfresco-deleted-content-store-cleaner: Alfresco Deleted Content Store Cleaner job (at github.com)

2017-11-21 10:50:56 GMT <yreg> what yoou could do is either hide it from UI (the download button) but then users will still be able to use a former download link, fiddle with the url and get the document)

2017-11-21 10:52:12 GMT <bhuvana_> Yup I have managed to hide it from document preview, folders, documents and also the download as zip options

2017-11-21 10:54:14 GMT <fcorti> qwebirc57729, yreg, sorry I'm back now

2017-11-21 10:54:46 GMT <fcorti> yes, today it's not confirmed what it will be "free" or "EE only" on the analytics

2017-11-21 10:54:53 GMT <bhuvana_> But cant we segregate the download from ReadContent?

2017-11-21 10:55:31 GMT <fcorti> qwebirc57729 Harry Peek (Product Manager for this) will do a Lightning Talk about the roadmap at DevCon.

2017-11-21 10:56:31 GMT <fcorti> qwebirc57729 AAAR/Alflytics is a pure community driven project (not supported by Alfresco) that will remain in the future.

2017-11-21 10:58:00 GMT <fcorti> qwebirc57729 you can try also the native SolR query language (no SQL JDBC) as an alternative. This is (and will be) released in the Community Edition (so for free)

2017-11-21 10:58:13 GMT <fcorti> Up to you the choice ;-)

2017-11-21 12:25:21 GMT <qwebirc57729> Thanks for the information :)

2017-11-21 13:22:08 GMT <angelborroy> Anyone knows how to retrieve primary path for a node by using “new” REST API=

2017-11-21 13:22:09 GMT <angelborroy> ?

2017-11-21 14:53:29 GMT *** DarkSta__ is now known as DarkStar1

2017-11-21 18:13:22 GMT <xkahn> dave_largo: What do you think about Munich switching off linux?

2017-11-21 18:46:55 GMT <dave_largo> xkahn: Just read it...not surprising. The user community is a strong battle. Their skills are horrible, especially in Government and they convince management (who has equal skills) that software is holding them back.

2017-11-21 18:47:29 GMT <dave_largo> So when new management arrives, the user community complains and the first thing they do to show they are "working" is replace software.

2017-11-21 18:48:30 GMT <dave_largo> And in Government, if you are not efficient, you don't close your doors like a private business. You just raise taxes.

2017-11-21 18:49:38 GMT <dave_largo> We fight that exact battle every day.

2017-11-21 18:49:52 GMT * xkahn nods

2017-11-21 18:50:06 GMT <dave_largo> We ended up buying 100 MS Office licenses for users because they told management Libre was holding them back, and it solved nothing.

2017-11-21 18:50:10 GMT <xkahn> dave_largo: IIRC, you guys do a lot with remote desktops.

2017-11-21 18:50:25 GMT <dave_largo> We have big servers running GNOME and then users log in with thin clients.

2017-11-21 18:50:51 GMT <dave_largo> We just migrated to GNOME 3 a month ago, after a lengthy process.

2017-11-21 18:50:59 GMT <xkahn> I believe Munich was going for managed thick clients.

2017-11-21 18:51:16 GMT <dave_largo> Yeah...our solution is probably 1/2 again cheaper.

2017-11-21 18:52:03 GMT <dave_largo> Users log in here, get GNOME 3, click on icons and MS Windows and Linux apps open within the same screen. They can't tell which OS is running.

2017-11-21 18:52:15 GMT <xkahn> dave_largo: I'm surprised that you haven't been forced to move to online MS Office or Google Docs.

2017-11-21 18:53:08 GMT <dave_largo> Google docs isnt robust enough, and there are difficulties with using MS 365 in terms of privacy laws.

2017-11-21 18:53:15 GMT <dave_largo> We are testing LibreOffice online.

2017-11-21 18:54:24 GMT <xkahn> dave_largo: I tried out LibreOffice online, but was able to wedge it pretty quickly. But it also looked like it was moving quickly.

2017-11-21 18:54:46 GMT <dave_largo> It's coming along, we're looking at it in tandem with Alfresco and NextCloud.

2017-11-21 18:55:00 GMT <xkahn> I wouldn't have suspected that a web application built to display google maps-like sites would work for document creation.

2017-11-21 18:55:06 GMT <dave_largo> Really, document sharing is not as important to them as being able to upload photos in the field.

2017-11-21 18:55:43 GMT <dave_largo> LibreOffice online is moving at a quick pace, there are updates continually.

2017-11-21 18:56:43 GMT <dave_largo> The GNOME 3 cutover has silenced most of the people complaining about not having MS Windows...and throwing 100 of them MS Office has quieted down almost everything else.

2017-11-21 18:56:55 GMT <dave_largo> If they pick out software, we can run it all...so there isn't really any technical problems.

2017-11-21 18:57:23 GMT <dave_largo> The millenials though are not fun to have in the work force.

2017-11-21 18:57:33 GMT <xkahn> I was going to ask about mobile. :)

2017-11-21 18:58:00 GMT <dave_largo> If they can get to them with phone and tablets, with Alfresco or NextCloud, I think we will be OK.

2017-11-21 18:58:08 GMT * xkahn guesses that photos are coming from phones.

2017-11-21 18:58:19 GMT <dave_largo> When they are mobile, they can run NX and connect to GNOME 3 and get to all of their software.

2017-11-21 18:58:40 GMT <dave_largo> Yup, phones...almost everyone has a smart phone and they don't want to sync here in the building.

2017-11-21 19:00:23 GMT <dave_largo> So we will buy MS Office license every 3 years and most of them are barely used and sit idle. But now users cannot complain.

2017-11-21 19:00:36 GMT <dave_largo> They clicked on MS Office and then realized they still have to have some skills.

2017-11-21 19:01:32 GMT <dave_largo> The IT guys in Munich must be livid.....they know it works, and saves so much money.

2017-11-21 19:01:53 GMT <dave_largo> And open document is purposefully not supported well in MS Office, so the documents are going to be borked.

2017-11-21 19:02:06 GMT <dave_largo> And, the fonts will be different, so all of the formatting goes bad.

2017-11-21 19:53:42 GMT <jpotts> Anyone around who knows much about CAS?

2017-11-21 19:55:14 GMT <jpotts> I'm seeing an interesting difference between 3.3 and 4.2 that I can't explain. Gonna keep digging but I thought someone might have some insight

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