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2017-12-15 08:12:10 GMT <yreg> Morning channel

2017-12-15 08:12:50 GMT <mrks_js1> hey Younes

2017-12-15 08:13:05 GMT <mrks_js1> are you going to attend the hackathon?

2017-12-15 08:15:35 GMT <tushar> hi guys i wanted to ask if anyone knows about tesseract_HOCR in ephesoft .... it makes a perfect hocr file for the input image then shows error that it cannot find image.htm

2017-12-15 08:16:39 GMT <yreg> Morning mrks_js1 I will be in the venue, but I haven't confirmed my attendance yet

2017-12-15 08:17:00 GMT <Tichodroma> tushar: "knows about" means what?

2017-12-15 08:17:00 GMT <yreg> I will need to confirm if I can follow the training without an exam voucher first

2017-12-15 08:17:05 GMT <yreg> APS training

2017-12-15 08:17:48 GMT <yreg> but I am probably going to continue what I started in the Global Virtual Hackaton

2017-12-15 08:17:51 GMT <twen> hello

2017-12-15 08:18:06 GMT <yreg> (the dynamic extension stuff in generator-alfresco)

2017-12-15 08:18:36 GMT <tushar> and tesseract _hocr OOTB plugin to is

2017-12-15 08:18:36 GMT <tushar> actually i mean to say is i am using ephesoft community edition

2017-12-15 08:18:41 GMT <tushar> not wronking

2017-12-15 08:18:49 GMT <tushar> if anyone has ever configured it

2017-12-15 08:19:35 GMT <tushar> please help me

2017-12-15 08:19:36 GMT <tushar> alll the post that i see related to it are dated before 2012

2017-12-15 08:22:29 GMT <yreg> mrks_js1, do you have any particular plans ?

2017-12-15 08:26:55 GMT <CptLuxx> oh man so many people here

2017-12-15 08:27:27 GMT <CptLuxx> i need some help with some.. super custom alfresco modul from 4.2.c that is not working correctly in 5.2 :x

2017-12-15 08:27:40 GMT <CptLuxx> its a weird freemind mindmap generator

2017-12-15 08:29:57 GMT <mrks_js1> yreg: nope - none so far

2017-12-15 08:35:10 GMT <Tichodroma> CptLuxx: what is not working?

2017-12-15 08:35:49 GMT <CptLuxx> well i get an alfresco error website that something is not working and "click here to get back to your dashboard"

2017-12-15 08:36:02 GMT <CptLuxx> i need to say.. im not an expert on alfresco :x

2017-12-15 08:36:16 GMT <CptLuxx> i think its because the extension is using an old api

2017-12-15 08:37:08 GMT <Tichodroma> CptLuxx: maybe. Is this extension meant to work with your version of Alfresco?

2017-12-15 08:37:25 GMT <CptLuxx> i try to find the error

2017-12-15 08:37:37 GMT <CptLuxx> well.. the guy who made it is dead Tichodroma

2017-12-15 08:37:38 GMT <CptLuxx> :D

2017-12-15 08:39:11 GMT <yreg> ~since

2017-12-15 08:39:11 GMT <alfbot> yreg: <Tichodroma> CptLuxx: what is not working?, <CptLuxx> well i get an alfresco error website that something is not working and "click here to get back to your dashboard", <CptLuxx> i need to say.. im not an expert on alfresco :x, <CptLuxx> i think its because the extension is using an old api, <Tichodroma> CptLuxx: maybe. Is this extension meant to work with your version of Alfresco?, and <CptLuxx> i try to find the (1 more message)

2017-12-15 08:39:55 GMT <CptLuxx> i mean.. its a nice extension that creates a mindmap with all files from subfolders

2017-12-15 08:40:23 GMT <Tichodroma> CptLuxx: good luck porting it to the current version of Alfresco

2017-12-15 08:40:43 GMT <CptLuxx> :/

2017-12-15 08:41:09 GMT <CptLuxx> it is trying to access /share/proxy/alfresco/api/node/content/ but i get a 404 so i think thats an old api?

2017-12-15 08:41:56 GMT <yreg> CptLuxx, probably, do you have the Alfresco Share services amp installed ?

2017-12-15 08:42:31 GMT <yreg> some of those API got separated from Alfresco repo into a separate amp a while ago

2017-12-15 08:43:14 GMT <CptLuxx> hm

2017-12-15 08:43:16 GMT <CptLuxx> interesting

2017-12-15 08:43:18 GMT <CptLuxx> i look at that

2017-12-15 08:44:33 GMT <CptLuxx> i wish the dead guy made some documentation...

2017-12-15 08:48:05 GMT <CptLuxx> oh mine god

2017-12-15 08:48:11 GMT <CptLuxx> the dead guy posted in the alfreso forum

2017-12-15 08:48:27 GMT <AFaust> CptLuxx, yreg: The api/node/content is a non-Share endpoint provided via the remote-api project, and is always a part of the Alfresco Repository

2017-12-15 08:48:59 GMT <CptLuxx> https://community.alfresco.com/thread/186327-trouble-getting-freemind-maps-to-render-in-share

2017-12-15 08:49:01 GMT <alfbot> Title: trouble getting freemind maps to render in share | Alfresco Community (at community.alfresco.com)

2017-12-15 08:49:05 GMT <CptLuxx> thats it.. even the script

2017-12-15 08:49:12 GMT <yreg> then if it give 404 that usually means either the node does no longer exist or the user does not have access for it

2017-12-15 08:49:37 GMT <CptLuxx> var prePath = "/share/proxy/alfresco/api/node/content/";

2017-12-15 08:49:43 GMT <CptLuxx> pretty sure that has changed..

2017-12-15 08:51:07 GMT <CptLuxx> yep it has.. https://community.alfresco.com/thread/213489-alfresco-50c-unable-to-access-the-contentdata-for-a-nodedocument-using-rest-api

2017-12-15 08:51:09 GMT <alfbot> Title: Alfresco 5.0.c : Unable to access the content/d... | Alfresco Community (at community.alfresco.com)

2017-12-15 08:51:13 GMT <AFaust> Looking at current 5.2 code and it is still there - maybe the rest of the URL path / parameters added to that prefix are now a bit different, but the base URL / endpoint is still available

2017-12-15 08:52:33 GMT <AFaust> CptLuxx: current code / endpoint definition => https://github.com/Alfresco/alfresco-remote-api/blob/master/src/main/resources/alfresco/templates/webscripts/org/alfresco/content/content.get.desc.xml#L9

2017-12-15 08:52:34 GMT <alfbot> Title: alfresco-remote-api/content.get.desc.xml at master · Alfresco/alfresco-remote-api · GitHub (at github.com)

2017-12-15 08:52:57 GMT <CptLuxx> hm okay

2017-12-15 08:53:16 GMT <CptLuxx> but.. it should get something if i access the url in the browser right? not only a 404_

2017-12-15 08:53:43 GMT <angelborroy> AFaust is there an aspect to declare a cm:content as non-indexable?

2017-12-15 08:53:57 GMT <angelborroy> (sorry, probably this question is easy, but I cannot find int)

2017-12-15 08:54:12 GMT <AFaust> Well - assuming that Repository is running and that the node you are accessing actually exist, then yes, you should get something different then a 404

2017-12-15 08:54:19 GMT <CptLuxx> k

2017-12-15 08:54:21 GMT <AFaust> angelborroy: cm:indexControl

2017-12-15 08:54:29 GMT <angelborroy> yep, that was

2017-12-15 08:54:29 GMT <angelborroy> thanks

2017-12-15 08:55:50 GMT <CptLuxx> mh well https://www.xx.com/share/proxy/alfresco/api/node/ 404

2017-12-15 08:55:58 GMT <CptLuxx> maybe i need to enable something for it?

2017-12-15 08:56:12 GMT <AFaust> Are you calling only that URL without any additions?

2017-12-15 08:56:35 GMT <AFaust> Then of course that will get you a 404 because it is not a complete URL - you need to add further path elements / parameters after /node/

2017-12-15 08:56:37 GMT <CptLuxx> yes :3

2017-12-15 08:56:41 GMT <CptLuxx> k

2017-12-15 09:07:59 GMT <tushar> i wanted to ask about tesseract_HOCR in ephesoft .... it makes a perfect hocr file for the input image then shows error that it cannot find image.htm

2017-12-15 11:41:49 GMT <tushar> i wanted to ask about tesseract_HOCR in ephesoft .... it makes a perfect hocr file for the input image then shows error that it cannot find image.html

2017-12-15 11:42:12 GMT <tushar> can anyone help ?!?!?

2017-12-15 12:06:45 GMT <Tichodroma> tushar: Asking the same question for the 3rd time will not help. If nobody was able to help you so far, chances are small that somebody will be able to help you now.

2017-12-15 12:07:59 GMT <angelborroy> tushar I’ve little experience with Ephesoft Community, I’ve worked with Ephesoft Enterprise several times

2017-12-15 12:08:20 GMT <angelborroy> tushar But I know one thing: Ephesoft Community is not intended to be used

2017-12-15 12:08:30 GMT <angelborroy> It’s just only a sample to play with

2017-12-15 12:08:35 GMT <angelborroy> But it does not work at all

2017-12-15 12:08:52 GMT <angelborroy> So, IMO, I’ll abandon the idea to use (seriously) Ephesoft Community

2017-12-15 12:29:57 GMT <tushar> thank you angelborroy

2017-12-15 12:37:28 GMT <douglascrp> angelborroy> It’s just only a sample to play with... I would not even consider it for that :D

2017-12-15 12:37:45 GMT <douglascrp> <angelborroy> But it does not work at all... exactly :D

2017-12-15 12:42:39 GMT <douglascrp> guys, quick question on the search highlight on share

2017-12-15 12:43:08 GMT <douglascrp> I remember I saw somewhere some numbers about how much text solr keeps in order to provide the term highlight in the search result

2017-12-15 12:43:35 GMT <douglascrp> like, if the document is too big, and if the user searches for a term that is down bellow, the hightlight does not work, as solr does not have the "text" to show

2017-12-15 12:43:48 GMT <douglascrp> if I am not wrong, it was something about 1000 characters

2017-12-15 12:44:02 GMT <douglascrp> but I can not find such information/documentation anywhere

2017-12-15 12:45:58 GMT <AFaust> douglascrp: It is actually measured in bytes, not characters

2017-12-15 12:46:27 GMT <AFaust> It is configured in solrcore.properties via alfresco.contentStreamLimit

2017-12-15 12:47:22 GMT <AFaust> Doing a Google-search via +site:docs.alfresco.com I cannot find it documented anywhere, not even in previous versions

2017-12-15 12:49:53 GMT <douglascrp> AFaust, tks... "characters" was just an "expression" :D

2017-12-15 12:50:15 GMT <douglascrp> AFaust, I read that somewhere, maybe a blog post or something

2017-12-15 12:50:22 GMT <douglascrp> but I knew it was configurable

2017-12-15 12:56:04 GMT <douglascrp> AFaust, I tried again, searching for the exact term you gave me, but again, I can't find the exact doc or blog post where I got to know that

2017-12-15 12:56:05 GMT <AFaust> My experience is that highlighting stops even way before that content stream limit, i.e. in a presentation it worked only for text in the first couple of slides, and the combined text of all slides could not have been more than a quarter of the limit

2017-12-15 12:56:24 GMT <douglascrp> AFaust, I see

2017-12-15 12:56:52 GMT <douglascrp> a guy came to us asking if the highlight could work for the entire document, it doesn't matter the size of it

2017-12-15 12:56:56 GMT <AFaust> Default content stream limit is 10000000 BTW

2017-12-15 12:57:21 GMT <douglascrp> and even more... he wanted to have the preview to highlight all the terms inside the document, just like the search result

2017-12-15 12:57:33 GMT <AFaust> Yeah, right...

2017-12-15 12:57:43 GMT <AFaust> How much budget does he have?

2017-12-15 12:58:33 GMT <yreg> douglascrp, the second part I have already done before

2017-12-15 12:58:46 GMT <douglascrp> AFaust, :D

2017-12-15 12:58:56 GMT <douglascrp> that is the one million dollar question :D

2017-12-15 12:59:05 GMT <douglascrp> usually, they want magic for free

2017-12-15 12:59:12 GMT <yreg> It took maybe a few days

2017-12-15 12:59:39 GMT <douglascrp> yreg, do you accept half a million for that? :P

2017-12-15 12:59:42 GMT <yreg> a week tops, but it was a somewhat hacky manipulation of the pdfJS

2017-12-15 13:00:06 GMT <yreg> depends on the currency

2017-12-15 13:00:14 GMT <yreg> <grin>

2017-12-15 13:00:39 GMT <douglascrp> yreg, uhauhuahuaha.... good one :D

2017-12-15 13:01:21 GMT <yreg> 0.5M Ƀ yes definitely <grin>

2017-12-15 13:01:38 GMT <douglascrp> AFaust, that limit is big, 10 MB, right?

2017-12-15 13:01:57 GMT <douglascrp> in that case, you are right, the search highlight stops far bellow that limit

2017-12-15 13:02:20 GMT <douglascrp> if the document is 1 MB or text, it just works for the initial paragraphs

2017-12-15 13:02:47 GMT <douglascrp> now the question is, is this limit forced by solr, or by the result page?

2017-12-15 13:02:56 GMT * yreg realizes that's even bigger then the market capital for BitCoin <grin>

2017-12-15 13:03:57 GMT <yreg> ~7.5T €

2017-12-15 13:03:57 GMT <alfbot> yreg: Error: "7.5T" is not a valid command.

2017-12-15 13:05:39 GMT <AFaust> yreg: Depends on complexity of the search term if it can work with just hack of PDF.js

2017-12-15 13:06:18 GMT <AFaust> A customer of mine simply uses an iFrame for PDF preview and adds a URL parameter with the search term to the URL of that frame, so the PDF plugin will highlight all occurrences for them

2017-12-15 13:07:29 GMT <AFaust> But sure does not work for any advanced queries if user is employing OR/AND, grouping or wildcard/exact match selectors

2017-12-15 13:09:31 GMT <AFaust> douglascrp: Well, I don't like denoting sizes in MB, so I have to answer that the default limit is ~9.54 MiB

2017-12-15 13:21:41 GMT <douglascrp> AFaust, the kind of highlight they want on the preview is exactly the OR/AND, grouping or wildcard

2017-12-15 13:39:06 GMT <fcorti> Hi all, in 1,5 hours the new Office Hours about the ADF Example application on content. Raise questions here or on Youtube chat or on Gitter channel. Below the link to the live webinar.

2017-12-15 13:39:08 GMT <fcorti> https://youtu.be/GEZM0r50ofg

2017-12-15 13:58:35 GMT <dgradecak> hi all

2017-12-15 13:58:47 GMT <dgradecak> fcorti: any news about the devcon schedule?

2017-12-15 13:59:11 GMT <fcorti> yes, veeeery closed to be finally defined

2017-12-15 13:59:30 GMT <fcorti> we are adjusting the latest (few) conflicts and requests

2017-12-15 13:59:58 GMT <fcorti> Do you need any info on it? Let me know if you have questions.

2017-12-15 14:02:34 GMT <dgradecak> I just wonder on which day am I, if possible to know morning or afternoon too

2017-12-15 14:02:58 GMT <dgradecak> need to see with my flights, so if I am late on Thursday etc ...

2017-12-15 14:15:25 GMT <fcorti> You are planned at Day 2 @ 10:45

2017-12-15 14:37:39 GMT <dgradecak> thank you fcorti

2017-12-15 14:38:01 GMT <dgradecak> btw, any idea when is the "closing" time the 2nd day?

2017-12-15 14:39:38 GMT <yreg> dgradecak, https://devcon.alfresco.com/#program

2017-12-15 14:39:39 GMT <alfbot> Title: Alfresco Developer Conference (at devcon.alfresco.com)

2017-12-15 14:39:54 GMT <yreg> usually right after Q&A

2017-12-15 14:40:19 GMT <fcorti> thank you yreg

2017-12-15 14:40:35 GMT <fcorti> the schedule could change a little bit but not in deep

2017-12-15 14:43:21 GMT <dgradecak> ah it wasn't there when I last checked. good thank you

2017-12-15 14:44:36 GMT <yreg> fcorti, will there be recordings for the sessions

2017-12-15 14:44:50 GMT <yreg> I can see a lot of interesting tracks going in parallel

2017-12-15 14:45:03 GMT <yreg> and it would be a shame to miss any of them

2017-12-15 14:45:11 GMT <fcorti> Yes, they will be recorded

2017-12-15 14:45:30 GMT <fcorti> and published later on

2017-12-15 14:45:47 GMT <yreg> Cool, thanks for confirming

2017-12-15 14:45:58 GMT <fcorti> :-)

2017-12-15 14:59:33 GMT <fcorti> Webinar is starting here

2017-12-15 14:59:34 GMT <fcorti> https://youtu.be/GEZM0r50ofg

2017-12-15 14:59:37 GMT <fcorti> Join us

2017-12-15 15:03:55 GMT <yreg> nice hat ohej !

2017-12-15 15:04:06 GMT <ohej> Thanks! might have to loose it, it's really hot :P

2017-12-15 15:04:12 GMT <yreg> hehe

2017-12-15 15:12:43 GMT <yreg> Yes please lose the junk from the SDK 3.0.x archetypes

2017-12-15 15:13:08 GMT <yreg> replace them with README.md and a link to samples

2017-12-15 15:14:40 GMT <angelborroy> fcorti This presentation is focused on developers. Also interested and what Alfresco ADF is going to provide to “raw” users

2017-12-15 15:15:06 GMT <fcorti> What do you mean with "raw" user, the final users?

2017-12-15 15:15:11 GMT <angelborroy> yep

2017-12-15 15:15:14 GMT <fcorti> ok

2017-12-15 15:15:21 GMT <angelborroy> probably “raw” was not the right word :)

2017-12-15 15:15:25 GMT <fcorti> no prob

2017-12-15 15:16:01 GMT <fcorti> well, it is for both but I think we are talking more on developers

2017-12-15 15:16:23 GMT <fcorti> do you have any specific question or requests on things to show... feel free to ask

2017-12-15 15:23:11 GMT <ohej> https://github.com/Alfresco/alfresco-content-app

2017-12-15 15:23:12 GMT <alfbot> Title: GitHub - Alfresco/alfresco-content-app (at github.com)

2017-12-15 15:23:22 GMT <angelborroy> cloning!

2017-12-15 15:23:52 GMT <fcorti> please do it!

2017-12-15 15:23:54 GMT <fcorti> :-)

2017-12-15 15:24:54 GMT <AFaust> "continue to invest in it" = strip it of features and don't improve anything in the UI, right...

2017-12-15 15:25:41 GMT <yreg> ohej I have to disagree on this one

2017-12-15 15:25:46 GMT <digcat_> hi fcorti, so this ADF app isnt planned to exercise the entire rest api?

2017-12-15 15:25:58 GMT <digcat_> +1 afaust

2017-12-15 15:26:00 GMT <yreg> site dashboards are actually quite used by all of our customers using sites

2017-12-15 15:26:12 GMT <angelborroy> yreg not in my case

2017-12-15 15:26:26 GMT <angelborroy> many of them are going directly to Document Library

2017-12-15 15:26:33 GMT <AFaust> I would say it differs, but I would estimate 50% of customers use dashboards to some extent

2017-12-15 15:26:38 GMT <yreg> datalists are used a bit less, but still used mainly as master data for tracking dropdown/constraints ...

2017-12-15 15:26:54 GMT <angelborroy> Alfresco Content App up & ready

2017-12-15 15:26:58 GMT <angelborroy> That was really fast!

2017-12-15 15:26:58 GMT <AFaust> I.e. I try to promote the "Saved Search" dashlet for quick access / inbox kind of use cases

2017-12-15 15:26:58 GMT <yreg> the wiki forums, blogs are almost never used

2017-12-15 15:27:39 GMT <AFaust> forums and blogs, most definitely not used much.... wiki is used by some customers that I have seen, some quite extensive

2017-12-15 15:27:52 GMT <angelborroy> AFaust +1

2017-12-15 15:28:00 GMT <angelborroy> And my clients also using datalist

2017-12-15 15:28:06 GMT <fcorti> hi digicat_, not entirely used

2017-12-15 15:28:12 GMT <angelborroy> but to maintain combos values

2017-12-15 15:28:23 GMT <digcat_> yep

2017-12-15 15:28:45 GMT <angelborroy> the application runs much faster than other ADF app I’ve seen

2017-12-15 15:29:31 GMT <digcat_> fcorti aikau ?

2017-12-15 15:30:05 GMT <AFaust> fcorti: Too bad that ohej does not really understand how the communication policy and strategy of Alfresco appears to anyone outside of the company. Just saying "Share is not going away" is not very confidence-inspiring when feature removal has been announced, no improvements are being made and all steam of Alfresco is put behind ADF and cloud only...

2017-12-15 15:30:06 GMT <fcorti> aikau is following the same path of Share

2017-12-15 15:30:08 GMT <ohej> OK I have to loose the hat.. it's too hot! :P

2017-12-15 15:30:42 GMT <digcat_> ok ok

2017-12-15 15:30:49 GMT <angelborroy> AFaust Cloud is going away also, isn’t it?

2017-12-15 15:31:21 GMT <AFaust> Well - the cloud service is going away, but Alfresco development is targeting cloud quite heavily in terms of strategy

2017-12-15 15:31:32 GMT <AFaust> i.e. deployment into the cloud / AWS as infrastructure

2017-12-15 15:31:34 GMT <qwebirc29265> Also, it is our experience that ADF really doesn't play well with any other JS library, including Share

2017-12-15 15:32:01 GMT <qwebirc68593> what does the app do that you couldn't easily build in Aikau 2 years ago?

2017-12-15 15:32:09 GMT <angelborroy> That application is very fluid

2017-12-15 15:32:17 GMT <AFaust> angelborroy. Remember when resplin asked in this channel about Alfresco potentially targeting cloud-only deployment...

2017-12-15 15:32:27 GMT <angelborroy> AFaust +1

2017-12-15 15:32:33 GMT <qwebirc68593> all of those features look to have been available for a long time

2017-12-15 15:32:44 GMT <yreg> qwebirc68593, indeed

2017-12-15 15:32:49 GMT <qwebirc68593> i wonder how long it would take to build the app in Aikau?

2017-12-15 15:33:01 GMT <angelborroy> for me, about 5 years :D

2017-12-15 15:33:06 GMT <ohej> AFaust: What would be a better statement?

2017-12-15 15:33:15 GMT <qwebirc68593> faceted search (advanced search as john called it) is already available in Aikau

2017-12-15 15:33:32 GMT <yreg> qwebirc68593, it actually depends but I was able to build quite decent PoC in just one week or less

2017-12-15 15:33:58 GMT <ohej> AFaust: I get that we're deprecating the Share Connector to connect APS and Share, but other than that, which features have we removed?

2017-12-15 15:34:06 GMT <qwebirc29265> We need a clear statement about extensibility and maintenance for ADF

2017-12-15 15:34:36 GMT <yreg> ohej, there was an announcement earlier about features being depricated from share sites

2017-12-15 15:34:41 GMT <qwebirc29265> I thought Alfresco were addressing the problem of upgrades, but I hear we have to fork ADF components in order to do anything other than hello world

2017-12-15 15:34:42 GMT <yreg> like datalists ...

2017-12-15 15:35:09 GMT <AFaust> ohej: A clear, transparent statement i.e. "we are only continueing to support it because our RM solution depends on it and we have a large customer, but don't really want customers to build a platform / solution around it", or "we acknowledge that it is being used and we will improve the following aspects in the next x years"

2017-12-15 15:36:10 GMT <AFaust> ...and then follow-through with it, and don't let it linger in a state of eternal limbo, where no customer can feel sure what to do

2017-12-15 15:36:32 GMT <angelborroy> I have to say that I like (as user) this new ACA

2017-12-15 15:36:38 GMT <angelborroy> (Alfresco Content App)

2017-12-15 15:37:26 GMT <angelborroy> Adaptation to mobile devices has to be improved, but it works fine and it’s very clear

2017-12-15 15:37:31 GMT <ohej> AFaust: That's a fair statement to make, I'd suggest this is something we pick up at DevCon to get to the bottom of it

2017-12-15 15:37:34 GMT <qwebirc29265> I just do not understand this "start from scratch" attribute... "please could the Community rebuild everything for us" really??

2017-12-15 15:37:36 GMT <angelborroy> Obviously it lacks of many many features, but I like it

2017-12-15 15:37:43 GMT <AFaust> ohej: That Share Connector deprecation was a huge kick in the balls for one of my customers. They spent quite some effort trying this out and it is finally close to working in their system, and now Alfresco is pulling the plug. And this is a quite large, paying customer...

2017-12-15 15:38:14 GMT <fcorti> thank you angelborroy, I would suggest to focus on what we are seeing here. We will have time to discuss Share at DevCon.

2017-12-15 15:38:16 GMT <AFaust> (after about 5 iterations of "we found an issue and reported it to Alfresco" and "Alfresco finally fixed this minor thingy and now we can test again")

2017-12-15 15:39:00 GMT <AFaust> ohej: Don't want to derail this chat (more) while ADF focused session is live

2017-12-15 15:39:21 GMT <qwebirc29265> So this is the Alfresco strategy? No supported app, just some components we can fork?

2017-12-15 15:39:51 GMT <qwebirc29265> I don't get it...

2017-12-15 15:40:09 GMT <fcorti> thank you AFaust... but again: not to "break" the discussion. Just saying it is probably the wrong timing.

2017-12-15 15:40:55 GMT <AFaust> I wasn't going to bring it up, but it was independently brought up in the session

2017-12-15 15:41:04 GMT <douglascrp> starting to watch now, from begining

2017-12-15 15:41:09 GMT <douglascrp> "what the hat" :D

2017-12-15 15:41:16 GMT <qwebirc29265> sorry to sound so negative, but I am frustrated. we do not use Angular because it is "all or nothing" and not the most popular framework

2017-12-15 15:41:33 GMT <qwebirc29265> It feels like. strange choice by Alfresco

2017-12-15 15:42:21 GMT <fcorti> qwebirc29265 I can raise your question, if interested... in the latest comments are too negative. Do you want me to ask about the "no supported app"?

2017-12-15 15:43:05 GMT <fcorti> qwebirc29265, could be great if you could name yourself, just to know the major frustrations and work together how to better face them.

2017-12-15 15:43:43 GMT <qwebirc29265> fcorti yes please. my concerns are: why angular? and will there be a supported app?

2017-12-15 15:44:19 GMT <douglascrp> we use both dashboards and document library

2017-12-15 15:44:20 GMT <qwebirc29265> sorry, I am using the web chat and do not know how to change my user name

2017-12-15 15:44:36 GMT <fcorti> no prob, you can tell us here

2017-12-15 15:44:37 GMT <AFaust> qwebirc29265 I was about to ask if you could identify yourself with some nick...

2017-12-15 15:44:46 GMT <douglascrp> yreg: datalists are used a bit less, but still used mainly as master data for tracking dropdown/constraints ... +1

2017-12-15 15:45:19 GMT <angelborroy> for me, the better is the speed

2017-12-15 15:45:27 GMT <AFaust> qwebirc29265 The decision for Angular was made ~2 years ago (that's about how long ADF has been in the making AFAIK), so at a different time when the popularity was probably different

2017-12-15 15:45:29 GMT <angelborroy> this is far faster than any other UI in the past

2017-12-15 15:45:30 GMT <qwebirc29265> I am Sylvain

2017-12-15 15:46:34 GMT <angelborroy> fcorti Can you ask about performance and “Undo” action?

2017-12-15 15:47:09 GMT <fcorti> Thank you Sylvain

2017-12-15 15:47:58 GMT <yreg> angelborroy, have you tried Alfred Finder from Xenit ?

2017-12-15 15:48:09 GMT <angelborroy> yreg nope

2017-12-15 15:48:17 GMT <angelborroy> I want to record a demo in Spanish

2017-12-15 15:48:20 GMT <yreg> <grin> you will definitely have a change of heart as soon as you do :D

2017-12-15 15:48:22 GMT <angelborroy> but this will be next year

2017-12-15 15:48:38 GMT <angelborroy> After DevCon, you know ;-)

2017-12-15 15:51:54 GMT <qwebirc29265> How does undo work when there are folder rules? Is this implemented for all APIs?

2017-12-15 15:55:34 GMT <fcorti> Sorry qwebirc29265, I did not raise the Angular question becasue it is a out of topic now.

2017-12-15 15:56:26 GMT <qwebirc29265> fcorti sure, ok

2017-12-15 15:56:30 GMT <fcorti> I want to reply, of course, but not now. Can you please contact me (francesco.corti@alfresco.com) and I'll be pleased to reply and maybe include in the discussion one (or more) people from the Organization.

2017-12-15 15:56:35 GMT <fcorti> Are you ok with this approach?

2017-12-15 15:58:10 GMT <qwebirc29265> fcorti it sounds good. I need to share this information with the team and then we can see what to do

2017-12-15 15:58:59 GMT <fcorti> Thank you Sylvain. :-)

2017-12-15 15:59:40 GMT <fcorti> Please consider me available also for "concern".

2017-12-15 16:00:10 GMT <fcorti> ...also for sharing opinion and "concerns"

2017-12-15 16:02:49 GMT <yreg> nice session

2017-12-15 16:04:04 GMT <fcorti> thank you all

2017-12-15 16:04:08 GMT <angelborroy> I enjoyed it, congrats to ohej, denys and the team

2017-12-15 16:04:13 GMT <AFaust> Ah darn it, SpaceX launch was live during the session... should have double-monitored that...

2017-12-15 16:04:23 GMT <angelborroy> :D

2017-12-15 16:04:27 GMT <angelborroy> poor AFaust

2017-12-15 16:05:12 GMT <yreg> ohej, I just have a few comments: it seems like ADF made a lot of progress since I last evaluated it, Still note at the pace I would expect judging by the resources backing the project!! and it seems a lot of time was spend re-implementing/refactoring the same stuff... that's probably due to the team not being experienced/introduced to the ECM world initially??

2017-12-15 16:06:27 GMT <ohej> yreg: The truthful answer is that we started experimenting with ADF and Angular. We open sourced it and started to get great feedback. This was early days, and a few months into our "experiment" focus shifted towards BPM components

2017-12-15 16:06:41 GMT <yreg> In any case please make sure to party on solid architechtural grounds in the future so that you could have "easy" upgrades and enhancements to the components without having to make huge refactoring ... simply because the developer didn't think "initially" of that kind of extension/feature

2017-12-15 16:07:15 GMT <yreg> alright, that would explain it a bit

2017-12-15 16:07:31 GMT <ohej> this went on for quite a while, which is why you'll see a much better ADF coverage on process components than content components, and some months ago we shifted the focus back to content components again, which is why we didn't see the refactoring of the document list until the 1.5 - 1.6 release

2017-12-15 16:08:14 GMT <yreg> still I find a lot of stuff have been rewritten/subject to big refactoring ... meaning considerable loss of engineering time

2017-12-15 16:08:30 GMT <ohej> You're spot on, that's part of the work we did with the 2.0 release, refactoring, renaming and putting things in the "right places" so ensure we have a solid foundation to build on. Are we done yet? Absolutely not, but we have a good direction

2017-12-15 16:08:38 GMT <ohej> what do you mean by rewritten?

2017-12-15 16:08:50 GMT <ohej> and just because we refactor things doesn't mean it's a waste of time, it's just the next iteration

2017-12-15 16:11:14 GMT <yreg> It might be driven but the time-to-market / time-to-value constraint .. in the early days of the project which is understandable ... but I believe component enhancements should have as little as possible refactoring and as much as possible additions to increase value and to ensure backward compatibility

2017-12-15 16:11:55 GMT <yreg> I do not have a concrete example at hand to be hanest, but I got this feeling a while back when I was checking out few of the commits in the project

2017-12-15 16:13:32 GMT <fcorti> I think we have a loooooot to discuss at DevCon.... and it is exactly what I think we should do.

2017-12-15 16:16:07 GMT <AFaust> There is always lots to discuss. More interesting will be if there are going to be any consequences to what is being discussed.

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2017-12-15 16:16:13 GMT <yreg> ohej /cc

2017-12-15 16:16:53 GMT <yreg> AFaust, +1

2017-12-15 16:18:43 GMT <AFaust> Looks like the Alfresco session wasn't the only one that was somewhat throttled / slow today in the US.

2017-12-15 16:18:54 GMT <yreg> AFaust, judging by the feedback expressed following BeeCon2016 and BeeCon2017 around share, UI and UX ... I think alfresco is more and more shifting to the US market and totally ignoring (low prioritizing) feedback from EU community/market

2017-12-15 16:19:18 GMT <AFaust> Looking at a commented stream of the SpaceX launch by a US guy, and they had quite a lot of issues with the SpaceX stream as well...

2017-12-15 16:19:44 GMT <angelborroy> yreg I have the same feeling about US / EU market focusing

2017-12-15 16:19:50 GMT <AFaust> yreg: yup, my impression as wel

2017-12-15 16:21:13 GMT <AFaust> I mean, from a business side I can somewhat understand. Looks like US customers are way more loaded with money to spend and don't even consider a product that is less expensive than others (as far as I understood, one of the reasons behind the price hike)...

2017-12-15 16:22:12 GMT <AFaust> And German / EU market has too much competition by local businesses / niche players, and is smaller in general. So why waste time/money making little impact here compared to cashing out over there...

2017-12-15 16:22:47 GMT <yreg> AFaust, makes sense ..

2017-12-15 16:22:51 GMT <angelborroy> +1

2017-12-15 16:23:21 GMT <angelborroy> Two months ago a customer in Spain received a quotation from Alfresco & Opentext

2017-12-15 16:23:31 GMT <angelborroy> Both were closer

2017-12-15 16:23:50 GMT <angelborroy> Obviously implementing Opentext is more expensive, but the license was similar

2017-12-15 16:24:23 GMT <angelborroy> And the quotation was 5x from 2 years ago

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2017-12-15 16:25:31 GMT <AFaust> Well, at least we (currently) still have Community Edition to compete with Enterprise in those cases...

2017-12-15 16:25:44 GMT <angelborroy> yep

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2017-12-15 21:00:49 GMT <CptLuxx> hm

2017-12-15 21:01:01 GMT <CptLuxx> i have 10 giant files under /opt/alfresco-community/tomcat/temp

2017-12-15 21:01:06 GMT <CptLuxx> can i delete them?

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