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2018-02-08 05:03:42 GMT <monica_> Hello everyone. I need help in https://community.alfresco.com/message/828006-need-to-hide-public-share-link-from-document-list-and-document-search-more-info

2018-02-08 05:03:44 GMT <alfbot> Title: need to hide public "share" link from document ... | Alfresco Community (at community.alfresco.com)

2018-02-08 05:04:04 GMT <monica_> anybody have any idea? how to do it?

2018-02-08 05:31:35 GMT <Sumit> Hi All, Groups are not getting added in site. After searching groups and clicking on add made "add" button disabled and group not added.

2018-02-08 05:31:41 GMT <Sumit> also there is no error in logs

2018-02-08 05:33:16 GMT <Sumit> any test cases in which groups can not add?

2018-02-08 07:52:27 GMT <alfbot> Tichodroma: Sent 15 hours and 11 minutes ago: <AFaust> Well, as long as it is Europe and we exclude Greece/Cyprus, its almost guarnateed to be closer than Lisbon

2018-02-08 08:33:25 GMT <twen> morning

2018-02-08 09:14:16 GMT <abhy> clear

2018-02-08 10:24:18 GMT <yreg> morning

2018-02-08 13:32:23 GMT <douglascrp> AFaust, hey

2018-02-08 13:32:36 GMT <douglascrp> I have just read your answer on the HA support for community edition

2018-02-08 13:32:56 GMT <douglascrp> you said you did that as a proprietary module

2018-02-08 13:33:18 GMT <douglascrp> do you sell it? I have never seen anything about it

2018-02-08 13:46:01 GMT <AFaust> Given I haven't yet had time to build a proper web page (too busy on projects) that is understandable (that you haven't seen anything about it)...

2018-02-08 13:48:21 GMT <AFaust> General answer to that question is "yes". Though so far I don't advertise it too loudly before having had a significantly important/large customer use it production. At this time, it is more like an "option" for customers that "think" they have/need to use Enterprise but don't actually do...

2018-02-08 14:09:13 GMT <Loftux> Taking over a project where they intend to use Solr6, but they have 1.0.0 of alfresco-search-services, and as it seems lots of search issues. Is 1.1.0 better, or should i propose Solr4? Haven't used Solr6 yet, since Solr4 seem stable enough and does its job well.

2018-02-08 14:09:42 GMT <angelborroy> SOLR 6 1.1.0 seems to work fine

2018-02-08 14:09:52 GMT <angelborroy> But you need to patch it

2018-02-08 14:10:25 GMT <angelborroy> Loftus this is our alternative https://github.com/keensoft/alf-21940-repo

2018-02-08 14:10:26 GMT <alfbot> Title: GitHub - keensoft/alf-21940-repo (at github.com)

2018-02-08 14:10:40 GMT <angelborroy> But AFaust has other options to patch it that you should consider

2018-02-08 14:11:20 GMT <angelborroy> Anyway, SOLR 6 does not work as it is except for organisations using ONE (and only) language

2018-02-08 14:11:23 GMT <AFaust> https://de.slideshare.net/AFaust/important-workarounds-for-making-ass-multilingual

2018-02-08 14:11:24 GMT <alfbot> Title: Important work-arounds for making ASS multi-lingual (at de.slideshare.net)

2018-02-08 14:11:30 GMT <Loftux> angelborroy: ok, thanks, remember you've posted about this before.

2018-02-08 14:11:38 GMT <Loftux> AFaust: Thanks

2018-02-08 14:11:54 GMT <angelborroy> Take a look at ASS Multilingual, the title is as good as the presentation :D

2018-02-08 14:13:22 GMT <Loftux> What is the advantage of Solr6 over Solr4 when you just use search from Share?

2018-02-08 14:14:29 GMT <angelborroy> there are some new features...

2018-02-08 14:14:33 GMT <angelborroy> https://docs.alfresco.com/5.2/concepts/solr6-overview.html

2018-02-08 14:14:34 GMT <alfbot> Title: Solr 6 features and enhancements | Alfresco Documentation (at docs.alfresco.com)

2018-02-08 14:14:43 GMT <angelborroy> But I tried to use the fingerprint one and it does not work

2018-02-08 14:14:48 GMT <AFaust> Other than potential stability / performance improvements over older SOLR version, I would say none...

2018-02-08 14:14:57 GMT <angelborroy> +1

2018-02-08 14:15:17 GMT <angelborroy> “The hype is higher”, that’s all (by now)

2018-02-08 14:15:51 GMT <yreg> AFaust, angelborroy I thought there was something about search highlight

2018-02-08 14:15:52 GMT <AFaust> One thing I see as potentially useful only for large installations are the more advanced sharding options, though some of the newer ones are (allegedly) not supported before 5.2.1, meaning they might not be supported in 5.2 Community

2018-02-08 14:16:08 GMT <yreg> or is that not available out of the box in share search results page ?

2018-02-08 14:16:16 GMT <AFaust> Search highlight is something that is also available in SOLR 4...

2018-02-08 14:16:29 GMT <AFaust> AFAIK

2018-02-08 14:17:21 GMT <AFaust> But in any case, the default search highlighting results for SOLR 4 / 6 are abysmal... In most cases, the highlight only works on the first few pages of the document.

2018-02-08 14:17:52 GMT <AFaust> Very annoying e.g. in PowerPoint slides, when only the first 2 slides are hightlighted, and nothing found on later slides is...

2018-02-08 14:27:08 GMT <Loftux> That is what I thought, you get by very well with Solr4 for now in a smaller installation without sharding needs.

2018-02-08 14:29:20 GMT <yreg> QQ: Is solr4 being deprecated in OOTB 6.0 ? or would it still be the default option ?

2018-02-08 14:32:50 GMT <angelborroy> yreg https://community.alfresco.com/community/ecm/blog/2018/01/03/architecture-changes-for-alfresco-content-services-version-60

2018-02-08 14:32:52 GMT <alfbot> Title: Architecture changes for Alfresco Content Servi... | Alfresco Community (at community.alfresco.com)

2018-02-08 14:32:58 GMT <angelborroy> it looks like it’s going to be deprecated

2018-02-08 14:38:05 GMT <yreg> thanks angelborroy

2018-02-08 14:59:17 GMT <angelborroy> wow, so AFaust is preparing ACEs & ACAs candidates

2018-02-08 14:59:26 GMT <angelborroy> I’d love to attend that sessions at Xenit

2018-02-08 16:30:54 GMT <angelborroy> ~flushLog

2018-02-08 16:30:54 GMT <alfbot> angelborroy: Woooosh, your log has been flushed...

2018-02-08 16:38:14 GMT <AFaust> Hmm - Alfresco (company) sold to some funds instead of a another player in the market. Interesting...

2018-02-08 16:40:59 GMT <angelborroy> https://www.alfresco.com/news/press-releases/thomas-h-lee-partners-acquire-alfresco-software

2018-02-08 16:41:00 GMT <alfbot> Title: Thomas H. Lee Partners To Acquire Alfresco Software | Alfresco (at www.alfresco.com)

2018-02-08 16:41:15 GMT <angelborroy> I’m not sure about this movement and direct consequences for the product / company

2018-02-08 16:41:55 GMT <angelborroy> I’m searching about THL, it looks like a “shark” company but I’m not an expert

2018-02-08 16:44:50 GMT <AFaust> Well - a private equity form always looks like a "shark" to us Europeans...

2018-02-08 16:45:05 GMT <AFaust> s/form/firm/

2018-02-08 16:46:27 GMT <AFaust> Great - can't view the portfolios on http://www.thl.com because some "Razor" script fails

2018-02-08 16:46:28 GMT <alfbot> Title: Thomas H. Lee Partners (at www.thl.com)

2018-02-08 16:48:15 GMT <angelborroy> “Building great companies” smells like make the biggest profit (economic) in the shorter time

2018-02-08 16:48:40 GMT <douglascrp> AFaust, interesting

2018-02-08 16:48:57 GMT <AFaust> Hmm - I only recognise 3 company names from all the investments listed in the portfolio.

2018-02-08 16:49:44 GMT <AFaust> Interestingly, one of them (listed as historical) is one of the primary private TV networks / conglomerates here in Germany

2018-02-08 16:50:48 GMT <angelborroy> John will be in the new company, he says it’s all the same

2018-02-08 16:51:23 GMT <AFaust> Ah - that TV conglomerate was sold again after 2 years...

2018-02-08 16:52:05 GMT <angelborroy> It’s like a pumper for companies, as far as I understand

2018-02-08 16:55:56 GMT <douglascrp> AFaust, angelborroy wow... what that means, for us?

2018-02-08 16:56:00 GMT <douglascrp> kristen is here :D

2018-02-08 16:56:05 GMT <douglascrp> ready to answer the questions

2018-02-08 16:56:18 GMT <kgastaldo> That's why I came ;)

2018-02-08 16:56:30 GMT <angelborroy> Ok, so translate the news for humans

2018-02-08 16:56:38 GMT <kgastaldo> so, short term - it sounds like nothing will change. We're not being acquired by another product.

2018-02-08 16:56:44 GMT <kgastaldo> We just have different investors now.

2018-02-08 16:57:05 GMT <kgastaldo> John Newton quote: "Everything is proceeding at #Alfresco as before, but with new owners and new investment."

2018-02-08 16:57:20 GMT <angelborroy> It looks like the aim of this investors is to make the company grow faster

2018-02-08 16:58:09 GMT <douglascrp> angelborroy, I am afraid of that

2018-02-08 16:59:08 GMT <angelborroy> In 9 minutes, 9 hearts for John Newton tweet declaring he will be in the new company :D

2018-02-08 16:59:28 GMT <AFaust> angelborroy, douglascrp: That is always the goal of investors. Who wants to invest in a company that is going nowhere?

2018-02-08 16:59:54 GMT <douglascrp> AFaust, making money is not the problem... the problem is to be able to believe that "nothing is going to change"

2018-02-08 17:01:26 GMT <AFaust> Well - apart from the open source nature of Alfresco, we already have sufficient changes going on / about to hit us (Share vs ADF, Alfresco 6 "micro-service all the things")....

2018-02-08 17:02:40 GMT <AFaust> So, what risk can the acquisition add?

2018-02-08 17:03:10 GMT <kgastaldo> @douglas - Hence why I said "short term"

2018-02-08 17:04:02 GMT <kgastaldo> we're just learned about this ourselves, but I'll keep you guys updated as I learn more

2018-02-08 17:05:43 GMT <angelborroy> -= THIS MESSAGE NOT LOGGED =-

2018-02-08 17:06:05 GMT <angelborroy> -= THIS MESSAGE NOT LOGGED =-

2018-02-08 17:06:13 GMT <douglascrp> AFaust, the open source is what worries me

2018-02-08 17:06:30 GMT <douglascrp> for all the rest, we can adapt

2018-02-08 17:06:35 GMT <douglascrp> or get used to

2018-02-08 17:07:32 GMT <AFaust> That's what I meant to say - the only thing up to be changed that would be significant is that model.

2018-02-08 17:09:33 GMT <kgastaldo> "Open source has been part of our company heritage and differentiation. Nothing is changing with our open source strategy."

2018-02-08 17:09:43 GMT <AFaust> Though on the other hand, there is also the chance that new investors could talk some sense into the product strategy / roadmap...

2018-02-08 17:09:45 GMT <kgastaldo> From JN

2018-02-08 17:10:20 GMT <AFaust> Yeah - as long as he stays I would be generally comfortable of there not being much of a risk...

2018-02-08 17:11:16 GMT <AFaust> s/comfortable of /safe knowing/

2018-02-08 17:11:54 GMT * AFaust can't English good on an empty stomach - going groceries shopping

2018-02-08 17:20:51 GMT <resplin> I don't expect the open source nature of the company to change.

2018-02-08 17:21:34 GMT <resplin> More than any time in the history of this company, I think the senior leadership understands and values open source.

2018-02-08 17:21:57 GMT <resplin> I had not previously heard of this firm. Employees found out about the sale at the same time as the public.

2018-02-08 17:22:27 GMT <resplin> But reading about it on the Internet, it seems to be a hands-off mid-stage growth firm. They will influence senior management, but I don't expect a major shake up.

2018-02-08 17:23:03 GMT <resplin> More than anything, I think this is a liquidity event for early investors and employees who are anxious to see their stock become cash. I don't think it will change our day-to-day.

2018-02-08 17:23:50 GMT <angelborroy> +1 resplin

2018-02-08 17:24:55 GMT <yreg> Guys, were you aware that Alfresco was acquired today ?

2018-02-08 17:24:57 GMT <yreg> https://www.alfresco.com/news/press-releases/thomas-h-lee-partners-acquire-alfresco-software

2018-02-08 17:24:59 GMT <alfbot> Title: Thomas H. Lee Partners To Acquire Alfresco Software | Alfresco (at www.alfresco.com)

2018-02-08 17:25:11 GMT <angelborroy> yreg make a flush in the chat

2018-02-08 17:25:13 GMT <angelborroy> ;-)

2018-02-08 17:25:15 GMT * resplin nudges yreg to check the logs

2018-02-08 17:25:21 GMT <yreg> ~flushlogs

2018-02-08 17:25:21 GMT <alfbot> yreg: Error: "flushlogs" is not a valid command.

2018-02-08 17:25:28 GMT <yreg> ~flush logs

2018-02-08 17:25:28 GMT <alfbot> yreg: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.

2018-02-08 17:25:35 GMT <yreg> ~htmllogger flush logs

2018-02-08 17:25:35 GMT <alfbot> yreg: Error: The "HtmlLogger" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "flush" in it. Try "list HtmlLogger" to see the commands in the "HtmlLogger" plugin.

2018-02-08 17:25:40 GMT <yreg> ~htmllogger flushlogs

2018-02-08 17:25:40 GMT <alfbot> yreg: Error: The "HtmlLogger" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "flushlogs" in it. Try "list HtmlLogger" to see the commands in the "HtmlLogger" plugin.

2018-02-08 17:25:52 GMT <yreg> ~htmllogger flush

2018-02-08 17:25:52 GMT <alfbot> yreg: Error: The "HtmlLogger" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "flush" in it. Try "list HtmlLogger" to see the commands in the "HtmlLogger" plugin.

2018-02-08 17:26:14 GMT <resplin> ~HtmlLogger flushlog

2018-02-08 17:26:22 GMT <resplin> It's case sensitive (I had to look it up)

2018-02-08 17:26:30 GMT <resplin> Hmm, it didn't go whoosh.

2018-02-08 17:26:38 GMT <yreg> ~HtmlLogger flushlog

2018-02-08 17:26:38 GMT <alfbot> yreg: Woooosh, your log has been flushed...

2018-02-08 17:26:44 GMT <yreg> space ini the beginning

2018-02-08 17:26:50 GMT <resplin> ah, cut and paste error

2018-02-08 17:29:20 GMT <resplin> One of you comment on JN's blog post to ask about the open source strategy:

2018-02-08 17:29:33 GMT <resplin> https://community.alfresco.com/community/connect/blog/2018/02/08/an-update-from-john-newton

2018-02-08 17:29:35 GMT <alfbot> Title: An Update from John Newton | Alfresco Community (at community.alfresco.com)

2018-02-08 17:29:51 GMT <resplin> I meant to make that a request. "One of you *should* comment . . . "

2018-02-08 17:30:22 GMT <resplin> I shared what I know, but I would like to ask JN to make an "official" reply.

2018-02-08 17:46:38 GMT * AFaust wonders how far back one would have to go in time to combat this propensity of exclaiming everything to be "exciting news" instead of just "news"...

2018-02-08 17:48:07 GMT <resplin> In modern English, probably the 15th century.

2018-02-08 17:48:21 GMT <resplin> But yes, I can see why that was a redundant turn of phrase.

2018-02-08 17:49:36 GMT <AFaust> Also those comments that, as a substance, only have this exclamation. They are just as bad as those annoying "First !!11" posts on YouTube videos...

2018-02-08 17:50:30 GMT <AFaust> Do you have any evidence / links to information about 15th century being a potential origin for that behaviour?

2018-02-08 17:51:17 GMT <AFaust> I mean, in case this was sort-of taught at US schools (skeptical myself)

2018-02-08 17:58:00 GMT <fcorti> AFaust, I have to say that in my natural language I don't often use it, but talking with english people and collegues, I started to use it like them: a lot.

2018-02-08 17:58:22 GMT <fcorti> (and I'm not saying it is good, but it is a fact)

2018-02-08 17:58:23 GMT <AFaust> Stockholm syndrome, no doubt...

2018-02-08 17:58:41 GMT <angelborroy> In Spanish it’s not also common to use that

2018-02-08 17:59:00 GMT <angelborroy> But newspapers are full of “pre-configured” sentences with no “real” sense

2018-02-08 17:59:04 GMT <fcorti> Cannot be the Stockholm syndrome... I'm italian. ;-)

2018-02-08 17:59:25 GMT <angelborroy> Italian? I’d never guess that! :-P

2018-02-08 17:59:42 GMT <AFaust> fcorti: I meant you have already begun to adapt / align yourself with your "oppressors" (forcing the language onto your everyday life)

2018-02-08 17:59:59 GMT <fcorti> angelborroy ... becasue you cannot see my hands shaking now!

2018-02-08 18:00:23 GMT <fcorti> AFaust: I don't this is the case. :-)

2018-02-08 18:00:58 GMT <angelborroy> btw AFaust I’m going to use your Hack-a-thon intro slides for a session with University students next week

2018-02-08 18:01:05 GMT <angelborroy> I’ll credit you, of course

2018-02-08 18:01:09 GMT * AFaust has to stop googling for any explanations - simple search terms only lead to trivial layman forum banter results anyways

2018-02-08 18:01:35 GMT <angelborroy> It’s an introduction to start playing (and hacking) with ContentCraft

2018-02-08 18:02:29 GMT <AFaust> Wow - that has to be the first time ContentCraft had any real value other than being a fun exercise...

2018-02-08 18:02:49 GMT <angelborroy> I’ll tell you how it goes

2018-02-08 18:03:09 GMT <angelborroy> I’m learning to play the game just not to look so nerd to students :D

2018-02-08 18:03:33 GMT <resplin> AFaust: I have no evidence.

2018-02-08 18:03:53 GMT <angelborroy> damn, I have to leave now… I’ll check later the log

2018-02-08 18:04:02 GMT <AFaust> Well, fortunately you don't have to know much of the game to use ContentCraft. It's not like Roy has implemented crafting recipes in order to create different types of content yet...

2018-02-08 20:57:14 GMT <bmejias> hi alll

2018-02-08 20:57:27 GMT <bmejias> I just have a good lot of fun reading the channel

2018-02-08 20:58:11 GMT <bmejias> I saw a tweet from Dave Drapper and I thought "what is he talking about"... so I found out about the acquisition.

2018-02-08 20:58:21 GMT <bmejias> so I came in here, and it was really funny

2018-02-08 20:58:46 GMT <bmejias> first the comments about it, and in no time kristen appeared to calm down any fear....

2018-02-08 20:58:58 GMT <bmejias> that's really carrying about the community

2018-02-08 20:59:23 GMT <bmejias> ~later tell kgastaldo thanks for that lightning fast appearance in the channel right after the news came out

2018-02-08 20:59:23 GMT <alfbot> bmejias: The operation succeeded.

2018-02-08 20:59:43 GMT <bmejias> ah, sorry.... the "exciting news".... hehe... that was funny too.

2018-02-08 21:00:08 GMT <bmejias> then resplin came in and without even flushing the logs, he knew we were talking about it and his first sentence was:

2018-02-08 21:00:24 GMT <bmejias> I don't expect the open source nature of the company to change.

2018-02-08 21:01:08 GMT <bmejias> hahaha.... that was like when I come back home and meet one of my girls, and first thing she says is: "I don't know who broke the glass"

2018-02-08 21:01:46 GMT <bmejias> then yreg comes in, and he says: "Guys, were you aware that Alfresco was acquired today ?"

2018-02-08 21:02:06 GMT <apus> bmejias: is this a certainty or are we talking about reducing fallout and wishful thinking? do i need to pull all recent open source releases now? do you perhaps know something?

2018-02-08 21:03:12 GMT <bmejias> so, angelborroy suggest him to flush the logs because everybody knows already...

2018-02-08 21:04:02 GMT <bmejias> and yreg and resplin spent a whole lot of commands trying to flush the logs. :D

2018-02-08 21:04:22 GMT <bmejias> apus I have no clue

2018-02-08 21:04:59 GMT <bmejias> I'm just having a good read on the chat, thanks to some tweet about the exciting news.

2018-02-08 21:05:28 GMT <bmejias> well, I'm having a good beer too, that might increase the fact that I find the behaviour quite hilarious.

2018-02-08 21:06:58 GMT <bmejias> strange, I didn't see -christel- message on the other channels I'm connected to. apus, did you see the [Global Notice] ?

2018-02-08 21:08:39 GMT <apus> yes i got the global notice too

2018-02-08 21:08:51 GMT <bmejias> ok

2018-02-08 21:09:07 GMT <bmejias> so, I have no idea what this means.... we will probably just have to wait

2018-02-08 21:09:44 GMT <apus> still i'll go ahead and pull the most recent stable and stableish release files, no idea what they are planning.

2018-02-08 21:13:18 GMT <bmejias> that's a good plan anyway...

2018-02-08 21:13:28 GMT <bmejias> better to stay up to date.

2018-02-08 21:14:23 GMT <bmejias> in any case, I loved to have kgastaldo, resplin and fcorti over here to discuss the matter, even though I think they don't have more information either...

2018-02-08 21:23:10 GMT <AFaust> Well, maybe one or two sentences more internally than were available to the public, but other than that...

2018-02-08 21:26:41 GMT <bmejias> yes, sure... kind of: "in the *short* term nothing changes"

2018-02-08 21:27:19 GMT <bmejias> by the way, I do remember John Newton saying in a conference something about his wife not letting him making a new startup

2018-02-08 21:27:33 GMT <bmejias> so that part seems consequent

2018-02-08 21:36:49 GMT <AFaust> He repeated that in a reply tweet to angel today

2018-02-08 21:38:08 GMT <bmejias> yes, that's what I was trying to say: conference and tweet seems consequent

2018-02-08 23:13:31 GMT <resplin> We had an internal meeting today, and the representatives from the new owners spoke. They seem to understand our business, and appreciate the open source angle. They said it was one of the key differentiators from the other companies they considered acquiring.

2018-02-08 23:14:05 GMT <resplin> Full disclosure: I knew to come in and answer the question about open source because kristen told me to. grin

2018-02-08 23:14:09 GMT <resplin> So props to her.

2018-02-08 23:14:18 GMT <resplin> No broken glasses here!

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