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2018-06-01 05:03:03 GMT <srikanth> hello,what is the latest version of javascript console amps ?

2018-06-01 05:09:41 GMT <Allen> Hi

2018-06-01 05:11:09 GMT <Allen> I want to configure CIFS with alfresco in windows system can anyone tell me about how to configure it.

2018-06-01 05:13:26 GMT <Allen> And i want to configure with community version

2018-06-01 06:10:56 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Loftux> Allen: CIFS in Alfresco is very old, insecure, slow and is being deprecated in a future version. So I would not starting to use it.

2018-06-01 06:14:45 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Loftux> @mbui I would start creating lots of different channels. Why? The chat doesn't have enough users to justify splitting up, it would feel empty in some of the channels. Also the same advice I give on the topic of Document Types when modelling. You spend a lot of time coming up with all sorts of types, and the more you have, the harder for the user to decide what kind of document type to use.

2018-06-01 06:15:21 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Loftux> And many will stay unused.

2018-06-01 06:27:15 GMT <Allen> thanks a lot(alfresco-discord)

2018-06-01 06:48:47 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> Good morning @everyone

2018-06-01 06:48:58 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> Morning

2018-06-01 06:49:17 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> Good morning all

2018-06-01 06:49:18 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

2018-06-01 06:49:27 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> Apologise if yesterday I did not reply to some quotes but it has been (another) busy day

2018-06-01 06:49:54 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> I see a lot of positive excitement around this new stuff... I think it's a successful POC

2018-06-01 06:49:56 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> @Francesco Corti every day is a busy day hehe

2018-06-01 06:50:28 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> Indeed... but this is the reason why we are here to do it ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

2018-06-01 06:55:06 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> If you @ everyone, everyone get's a mention

2018-06-01 06:55:39 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> last time i did that, discord informed that you might be sending more than 10 people notifications

2018-06-01 06:55:55 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> did you get the same?

2018-06-01 06:56:29 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> Good morning mbui

2018-06-01 06:56:30 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> ๐Ÿ˜„

2018-06-01 06:57:03 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> @Francesco Corti did u get the mobile app yet?

2018-06-01 06:57:16 GMT <alfresco-discord> <mbui> @bhagyas You can disabled the @ everyone mention or have some specific group only allowed to mention everyone. And hey ๐Ÿ‘‹

2018-06-01 06:57:55 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> @mbui right, i see it now

2018-06-01 06:57:56 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

2018-06-01 06:57:58 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> nope.... using desktop. It seems really good

2018-06-01 06:58:27 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> @Francesco Corti try the mobile app as well, its really cool..you can finally have the chat going with you :S

2018-06-01 06:58:28 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> ๐Ÿ˜„

2018-06-01 06:58:38 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> ehm...

2018-06-01 06:58:40 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> cool....

2018-06-01 06:58:42 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> ๐Ÿ˜„

2018-06-01 06:59:25 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> @bhagyas we need to find the "final house" for this tool (if we think it is the right collaboration tool)

2018-06-01 06:59:45 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> I'll test the slack integration on one of my VM... hopefully today

2018-06-01 06:59:48 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> I think this is good as a final house

2018-06-01 07:00:03 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> we would host the IRC bot on our servers, you can host the internal slack integration

2018-06-01 07:00:04 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> any limitations here?

2018-06-01 07:00:21 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> no, nothin much really

2018-06-01 07:00:55 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> premium features are applicable on a user basis, instead of an org basis - for an example @mbui is a nitro user (paying user) and it gives him cool emojis

2018-06-01 07:01:00 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> and high res streaming

2018-06-01 07:01:19 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> @mbui lucky guy! ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

2018-06-01 07:04:16 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> Someone knows the "later on" feature here on Discord? I mean, if I want to post a message saying to Kristen (who is not connected now): we should link the Discord char into Jive. How to do it?

2018-06-01 07:04:52 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> @Francesco Corti you wouldn't actually need is afaik, since she would be mentioned and getting a push notification on her phone

2018-06-01 07:05:03 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> or a mention will be there when she logs in the next time

2018-06-01 07:05:20 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> look to the @ sign on the top right

2018-06-01 07:05:38 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> uuuu.... nice

2018-06-01 07:05:47 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> ok, got it

2018-06-01 07:05:59 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> @Francesco Corti did u get the mobile app?

2018-06-01 07:06:17 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> i can't stop talking about it ๐Ÿ˜ซ

2018-06-01 07:06:25 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> it's just so nice

2018-06-01 07:06:26 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> hehe

2018-06-01 07:08:35 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> Now yes

2018-06-01 07:13:06 GMT <alfresco-discord> <mbui> If we decide for discord as new collaboration tool we could also look into getting a "partnered" server. https://discordapp.com/partners

2018-06-01 07:13:07 GMT <alfbot> Title: Discord - Partners (at discordapp.com)

2018-06-01 07:16:36 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> @mbui what does it mean in practice?

2018-06-01 07:16:53 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> it seems you are the expert here ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

2018-06-01 07:20:41 GMT <alfresco-discord> <mbui> Not sure, other than what's on the page I linked. ๐Ÿ˜„ However if you decide to use something self-hosted I'd recommend mattermost as it's open source. We've done a lot of comparisons ourselves internally where we compared slack, rocket, mattermost, irc. We never got to compare with Matrix though, which also seems like a solid one. It wasn't easy going from using IRC for 15 years in the company to make

2018-06-01 07:20:41 GMT <alfresco-discord> the switch to mattermost, but it has worked out pretty good.

2018-06-01 07:21:37 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> Interesting

2018-06-01 07:33:16 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bmejias> Mattermost is a good option to host internally, and the mobile app is very decent too

2018-06-01 07:35:43 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> Do you prefer to have an external hosting (external to Alfresco, I mean) or on an Alfresco server? The topic is "who pay for the hosting" and "being independent from Alfresco as Company or not". Thoughts?

2018-06-01 07:35:58 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> it has to be independent from Alfresco the company

2018-06-01 07:36:03 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> and no one should pay

2018-06-01 07:36:10 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> which is why IRC works

2018-06-01 07:36:15 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

2018-06-01 07:36:33 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> just like GitHub

2018-06-01 07:37:57 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> If it will be a common answer (and I'm happy with it), anyone has a server to offer to evaluate other products? If not, Discord seems to be the unique available solution, I think.

2018-06-01 07:51:17 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> I don't see the reason for hosting a dedicated server for a single / multiple community channel(s) given that the amount of conversation going on is quite "limited" in terms of volume

2018-06-01 07:51:54 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> It would / might make sense if Alfresco (as a company) was also switching its internal messaging over to that hosted system

2018-06-01 07:53:19 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> Not an option... you know... what I can do it "connect" the two worlds. This is the purpose of the Slack integration, but finding a new house for the Community Collaboration tool is a step ahead.

2018-06-01 07:53:36 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> Sure, I knew Slack was set

2018-06-01 07:53:55 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> That's why I don't see the reason...

2018-06-01 07:58:51 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> /me is testing mobile app now (apparently he could concentrate better today to overcome the 2FA + complex password + time limitation challenge)

2018-06-01 07:59:24 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> What? The mobile app does not support /me?

2018-06-01 08:01:59 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> Hmm - also just now noticed that the timestamp aggregation in the UI is lying. All messages aggregated as 09:53 though they definitively spanned ~7 minutes... I hate when stylistic choices lead to incorrect data display

2018-06-01 08:02:56 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Loftux> In desktop client it shows actual times if you hoover the message

2018-06-01 08:03:09 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> Ah, I see

2018-06-01 08:03:21 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> Still, a bit arbitrary and I haven't seen a setting for this yet

2018-06-01 08:03:54 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> Looks like it's aggregating on 10-minute blocks

2018-06-01 08:06:22 GMT <DarkStar1> Morning everyone

2018-06-01 08:17:59 GMT <alfresco-discord> <MorganP> Morning all

2018-06-01 08:23:46 GMT <Tichodroma> what kind of bot is alfresco-discord?

2018-06-01 08:24:12 GMT <MorganP> It's a discord chan bot created yesterday

2018-06-01 08:24:18 GMT <Tichodroma> why?

2018-06-01 08:24:32 GMT <fcorti_> Please join us here:

2018-06-01 08:24:33 GMT <fcorti_> https://discordapp.com/channels/451644531323174912/451644531323174914

2018-06-01 08:24:34 GMT <alfbot> Title: Discord (at discordapp.com)

2018-06-01 08:24:45 GMT <Tichodroma> Did I miss something? Why are AFaust et al on Discord now?

2018-06-01 08:24:48 GMT <bhagyas> https://discordapp.com/invite/f7XntQN

2018-06-01 08:24:49 GMT <alfbot> Title: Discord (at discordapp.com)

2018-06-01 08:25:11 GMT <Tichodroma> hosted by whom?

2018-06-01 08:25:12 GMT <alfresco-discord> <mbui> I guess we're trying alternatives to IRC?

2018-06-01 08:25:22 GMT <AFaust> Tichodroma: At this point it is an evaluation of Discord as a potential future / replacement of IRC

2018-06-01 08:25:28 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> https://discordapp.com/invite/f7XntQN

2018-06-01 08:25:29 GMT <alfbot> Title: Discord (at discordapp.com)

2018-06-01 08:25:36 GMT <Tichodroma> license? hoster?

2018-06-01 08:25:40 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> You can share this link, and it doesn't expire

2018-06-01 08:25:46 GMT <fcorti_> free free

2018-06-01 08:25:49 GMT <alfresco-discord> <mbui> It's hosted by the company Discord itself, and it's free to use/host.

2018-06-01 08:25:51 GMT <Tichodroma> FLOSS?

2018-06-01 08:26:00 GMT <AFaust> https://discordapp.com/terms

2018-06-01 08:26:01 GMT <alfbot> Title: Discord - Terms of Service (at discordapp.com)

2018-06-01 08:26:02 GMT <MorganP> Discord is owned by Twitch now

2018-06-01 08:26:07 GMT <MorganP> which is part of Amazon

2018-06-01 08:26:20 GMT <MorganP> if I'm not mistaken

2018-06-01 08:26:33 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> @MorganP no

2018-06-01 08:26:40 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> Twitch has its own

2018-06-01 08:27:01 GMT <Tichodroma> fcorti_: free as in beer or free as in speech?

2018-06-01 08:27:25 GMT <alfresco-discord> <MorganP> its own what?

2018-06-01 08:27:36 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> As a beer

2018-06-01 08:27:43 GMT <alfresco-discord> <MorganP> Twitch is an amazon subsidiary

2018-06-01 08:27:47 GMT <Tichodroma> ok, found it: not free

2018-06-01 08:28:00 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> oh... so I did not get it...

2018-06-01 08:28:03 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> no cost

2018-06-01 08:28:04 GMT <Tichodroma> Which alternative systems where considers? What about Matrix, for example?

2018-06-01 08:28:05 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> more claer?

2018-06-01 08:29:17 GMT <AFaust> Tichodroma: Everything is fair game I believe, though evaluation requires someone willing to take the charge / reins for a particular system. bhagyas did this for Discord yesterday

2018-06-01 08:30:09 GMT <Tichodroma> As far as I can tell, Discord is mainly a VoIP thing. Chat seems to be secondary. Do we need VoIP now?

2018-06-01 08:30:35 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> No we don't

2018-06-01 08:30:52 GMT <Tichodroma> so why use Discord? What's wrong with IRC?

2018-06-01 08:31:00 GMT <AFaust> I wouldn't say Discord is mainly one thing or the other. It depends on the community what is used as the primary thing.

2018-06-01 08:31:09 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> I can delete the voice room, but keeping it so Francesco and Kirsten can have their weekly zoom meetings there instead ๐Ÿ˜›

2018-06-01 08:31:11 GMT <alfresco-discord> <mbui> I'd argue Discord is mostly used for chat when it comes to communities/larger discord.

2018-06-01 08:31:17 GMT <Tichodroma> Sure. But we are not playing WoW, aren't we?

2018-06-01 08:31:23 GMT <AFaust> Twitch streamers use it primarily for chat with their audience, while they use it as VoIP with their co-gamers.

2018-06-01 08:31:55 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> @Tichodrama it's used for open source projects, like homeassistant

2018-06-01 08:32:04 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> which are way bigger than Alfresco

2018-06-01 08:32:11 GMT <Tichodroma> bhagyas: used for means nothing

2018-06-01 08:33:16 GMT <Tichodroma> Well, my first impression is: I don't like it. The discord-bot message look ugly and I find it hard to attribute things posted here in IRC to anybody of you on Discord.

2018-06-01 08:33:26 GMT <Tichodroma> It looks like this bot is talking to iteself.

2018-06-01 08:33:47 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> The bot is to bridge the gap

2018-06-01 08:33:53 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> Tichodroma IRC is hosted on Richard Esplin laptop... we have to move away. The identified requirements are: - Open Source. - No costs (in licenses, hosting, etc.) and available for free to users. - Slack integration (to involve more Alfrescans)

2018-06-01 08:33:56 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> it's hosted by us

2018-06-01 08:34:02 GMT <Tichodroma> Plus my IRC client is of course not able to aucomplete your Discord nicks as it would for IRC nicks.

2018-06-01 08:34:08 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> if u login to discord, ull see it much nicer

2018-06-01 08:34:27 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> The IRC is mimicked with webhooks

2018-06-01 08:34:29 GMT <Tichodroma> IRC is hosted on Freenode, which I doubt is running on a laptop

2018-06-01 08:34:32 GMT <mbui> Tichodroma: I'm assuming Discord (or some other alternative) will become the replacement of IRC eventually.

2018-06-01 08:34:38 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> so for us, it appears to as a regular user

2018-06-01 08:34:58 GMT <fcorti_> Oh gosh...

2018-06-01 08:35:08 GMT <Tichodroma> Well, do as you like.

2018-06-01 08:35:25 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> @Tichodrama, you can visit the room without an account

2018-06-01 08:35:27 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> so have a look

2018-06-01 08:35:38 GMT <Tichodroma> But we haven't moved community platforms for a while so it probably is time

2018-06-01 08:35:40 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> it's not like Slack, where you always need to have a login

2018-06-01 08:35:45 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> https://discordapp.com/invite/f7XntQN

2018-06-01 08:35:46 GMT <alfbot> Title: Discord (at discordapp.com)

2018-06-01 08:35:48 GMT <Tichodroma> bhagyas: not interested

2018-06-01 08:36:00 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> sure

2018-06-01 08:36:21 GMT <Tichodroma> I don't care if it is not like Slack or Skype or whatever. It is not federated, not FLOSS => I will not use it.

2018-06-01 08:36:36 GMT <bhagyas> Tichodroma: I'm with you on it

2018-06-01 08:36:59 GMT <bhagyas> but I'd rather use this than Slack, which requires always creating an account

2018-06-01 08:37:11 GMT <bhagyas> and also the reason I setup the bot

2018-06-01 08:37:57 GMT <alfresco-discord> <mbui> Tichodroma: Does it happen that Richard Stallman is one of your biggest inspirations? ๐Ÿ˜„

2018-06-01 08:38:03 GMT <Younes> Tichodroma, bhagyas I thought discord was OSS, isn't it ?

2018-06-01 08:38:32 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> The integration is seamless with IRC

2018-06-01 08:38:33 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451644531323174914/452028160750387201/Screen_Shot_2018-06-01_at_10.38.03.png

2018-06-01 08:38:44 GMT <alfresco-discord> <mbui> Younes: It's "proprietary freeware"

2018-06-01 08:39:17 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> @bhagyas you sold like OSS yesterday...

2018-06-01 08:39:33 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> telling Slack is a proprietary stuff...

2018-06-01 08:39:56 GMT * AFaust goes to fetch popcorn... 2nd day of Discord evaluation (!) with no other alternative having been championed yet, and the real struggle starts...

2018-06-01 08:39:58 GMT <alfresco-discord> <mbui> Well, Slack is proprietary ๐Ÿ˜›

2018-06-01 08:40:49 GMT <alfresco-discord> <mbui> As I said, we've done a lot of arguing and discussing internally for an IRC replace. I'd say mattermost or matrix is the most viable option, but then someone needs to host and manage it.

2018-06-01 08:41:19 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> Yes, this seems to be the main challenge.

2018-06-01 08:41:31 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> if it's OSS, im with IRC

2018-06-01 08:41:34 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> rather than this

2018-06-01 08:41:47 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> but for capabilities, like Search and external clients, like the iOS

2018-06-01 08:42:05 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> this would be my choice

2018-06-01 08:42:11 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> also being free to use

2018-06-01 08:42:49 GMT <alfresco-discord> <MorganP> discord isn't going anywhere if this is what concerns you, supported by the biggest gaming platform and with 130M users

2018-06-01 08:42:59 GMT <alfresco-discord> <MorganP> and it exists for years obviously

2018-06-01 08:43:01 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> also @mbui pays them :p

2018-06-01 08:43:37 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> I don't like that Slack requires users to create accounts to use it, sounds like they are just focusing on user counts to boost the valuation

2018-06-01 08:44:06 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> also no history unless you pay them

2018-06-01 08:44:14 GMT <Tichodroma> relevant: https://opkode.com/blog/slacks-bait-and-switch/

2018-06-01 08:44:15 GMT <alfbot> Title: Opkode - Blog (at opkode.com)

2018-06-01 08:44:47 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> @Tichodrama +1

2018-06-01 08:45:05 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> @Tichodrama, as usual Alfresco uses Office 365 and Slack

2018-06-01 08:45:07 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> ;P

2018-06-01 08:45:38 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> while selling Libreoffice, IRC and Open source to it's investors ;p

2018-06-01 08:45:46 GMT <Tichodroma> +1

2018-06-01 08:47:31 GMT <alfresco-discord> <mbui> Not sure if there are any FLOSS/FOSS chat services that requires no own hosting with the features/functionalities that discord/slack/mattermost/matrix has.

2018-06-01 08:48:11 GMT <Tichodroma> mbui: which of these features do we (really) need?

2018-06-01 08:48:39 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> @Tichodrama, it's only the history and the mobile clients, really - otherwise it would always be IRC

2018-06-01 08:49:13 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> if @Francesco Corti can find a way to run the history on a VM he can maintain, i'll delete this room

2018-06-01 08:49:32 GMT <Tichodroma> bhagyas: "this room" being what?

2018-06-01 08:49:53 GMT <AFaust> The DIscord room

2018-06-01 08:49:56 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> Discord :P, but I doubt that now, since it has outgrown

2018-06-01 08:50:04 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> and people seem to like it

2018-06-01 08:51:29 GMT <AFaust> With regards to "like it", my experience so far has primarily made me "not dislike it", like I do with Slack and other platforms I have seen (quite a while ago)

2018-06-01 08:51:41 GMT <Tichodroma> OK, I will do this to ease the burden of visually parsing lines like "10:50 < alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> and people seem to like it": /ignore alfresco-discord

2018-06-01 08:51:44 GMT <bhagyas> AFaust: +1

2018-06-01 08:52:06 GMT <AFaust> The aspect of the history is definitively something that I appreciate, especially considering the searchability

2018-06-01 08:56:53 GMT <alfresco-discord> <mbui> Tichodroma: Preview of images, search with "advanced" filtering, editing/deletion of messages, roles/permissions, categories, emojis, "better" moderation, notifications, good mobile clients, formatting (such as code blocks). Then some other features that is not chat related such as VoIP, video+screensharing calls. Probably forgot something, also it "looks" better. The API is quite easy/intuitive to

2018-06-01 08:56:54 GMT <alfresco-discord> create custom bots etc.

2018-06-01 08:58:32 GMT <alfresco-discord> <MorganP> And if you don't like the "modern" look&feel, you can still switch back to an IRC style with single lines and timestamps

2018-06-01 08:59:04 GMT <AFaust> For me, the aspect of no-account accessibility for arbitrary members of the community (one-off use) weighs higher as a requirement then being FLOSS/FOSS, so even if a specific alternative is open source but does not allow that, then it would be disqualified and I'd rather stick with IRC. Discord would be a kind of compromise I would be fine with to help engage with the newer generations of people that can't handle IRC (mentally /

2018-06-01 08:59:05 GMT <AFaust> emotionally, because it isn't as fancy / hip)

2018-06-01 08:59:39 GMT <bhagyas> AFaust: Those are exactly the lines of thought I share

2018-06-01 09:00:02 GMT <bhagyas> <mbui> Tichodroma: Preview of images, search with "advanced" filtering, editing/deletion of messages, roles/permissions, categories, emojis, "better" moderation, notifications, good mobile clients, formatting (such as code blocks). Then some other features that is not chat related such as VoIP, video+screensharing calls. Probably forgot something, also it "looks" better. The API is quite easy/intuitive to create custom bots etc.

2018-06-01 09:00:02 GMT <bhagyas> <MorganP> And if you don't like the "modern" look&feel, you can still switch back to an IRC style with single lines and timestamps

2018-06-01 09:00:03 GMT <Tichodroma> AFaust: A person that can't handle IRC will have difficulties handling Alfresco.

2018-06-01 09:00:16 GMT <alfresco-discord> <mbui> Java public String getName() { if (this.name == null) { this.name = (String)this.getProperties().get("cm:name"); if (this.name == null) { ChildAssociationRef parentRef = this.services.getNodeService().getPrimaryParent(this.nodeRef); if (parentRef != null && parentRef.getQName() != null) { this.name =

2018-06-01 09:00:17 GMT <alfresco-discord> parentRef.getQName().getLocalName(); } else { this.name = ""; } } } return this.name; }

2018-06-01 09:00:30 GMT <bhagyas> code formatting :)

2018-06-01 09:00:33 GMT <Tichodroma> bhagyas: the look of IRC depends entierly on your client

2018-06-01 09:00:44 GMT <AFaust> Tichodroma: I would agree, but apparently these youngsters working in the industry these days are all of that kind...

2018-06-01 09:00:55 GMT <Tichodroma> AFaust: I don't care.

2018-06-01 09:01:09 GMT <bhagyas> @Tichodroma: I can use the chat on my phone now, without paying IRCCloud

2018-06-01 09:01:11 GMT <bhagyas> ;)

2018-06-01 09:01:25 GMT <Tichodroma> Next thing: a CoC and and diversity board

2018-06-01 09:01:44 GMT <bhagyas> A diversity board already exists, I guess, what's CoC? We need to have that

2018-06-01 09:01:49 GMT <AFaust> Code of Conduct

2018-06-01 09:01:50 GMT <bhagyas> xD

2018-06-01 09:02:12 GMT <AFaust> bhagyas: Depending on the day, you might not want a CoC...

2018-06-01 09:02:19 GMT <bhagyas> yeah, that's true

2018-06-01 09:02:36 GMT <bhagyas> Maybe if we can get Alfresco to conduct themselves to not hurt CE

2018-06-01 09:02:43 GMT <bhagyas> and include that in it somehow..

2018-06-01 09:04:20 GMT <Tichodroma> bhagyas: Before that happens talk like mine above ("I don't care") will be outlawed because it is "toxic" and makes young people feel unsafe here.

2018-06-01 09:04:50 GMT <mbui> Tichodroma: Do you at least agree on the "limitations" on IRC and that it should probably be replaced?

2018-06-01 09:04:58 GMT <bhagyas> Tichodroma: not as long as we are here, so don't worry

2018-06-01 09:05:02 GMT <bhagyas> :)

2018-06-01 09:05:21 GMT <Tichodroma> I agree that IRC has limitations. I am not sure that it should be replaced.

2018-06-01 09:05:24 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Loftux> This old document is kind of a CoC, especially proud of the part of "how to get an answer" (I wrote it in the old Wiki) https://community.alfresco.com/docs/DOC-6193-irc-chat#jive_content_id_How_to_get_an_answer

2018-06-01 09:05:26 GMT <alfbot> Title: IRC Chat | Alfresco Community (at community.alfresco.com)

2018-06-01 09:05:46 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> @Loftux I think this is more Social justice version of CoC

2018-06-01 09:06:20 GMT <Tichodroma> If you want to use a different server a bridge could be a tool to try. But the current bot is shit.

2018-06-01 09:06:21 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> like hurting the feelings of alfresco marketing

2018-06-01 09:06:23 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Loftux> Just wanted to feel proud of something ๐Ÿ™ƒ

2018-06-01 09:06:30 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> xD

2018-06-01 09:06:32 GMT <Tichodroma> s/server/service/

2018-06-01 09:07:00 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> @Tichodrama, using https://github.com/reactiflux/discord-irc for this atm

2018-06-01 09:07:01 GMT <alfbot> Title: GitHub - reactiflux/discord-irc: Connects Discord and IRC channels by sending messages back and forth. (at github.com)

2018-06-01 09:07:23 GMT * Tichodroma will /ignore alfbot since it expands links by the shitty bot

2018-06-01 09:07:35 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> lol

2018-06-01 09:08:06 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> @Tichodrama, shall I fork it so u can make changes to the bot?

2018-06-01 09:08:17 GMT <AFaust> alfbot expands any links, regardless if from bot or not...

2018-06-01 09:08:17 GMT <alfbot> AFaust: Error: "expands" is not a valid command.

2018-06-01 09:08:23 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> hahhaa

2018-06-01 09:08:48 GMT <Tichodroma> AFaust: I know. But it makes no sense to see an expanded link that was posted by the bot which I ignore

2018-06-01 09:09:01 GMT <AFaust> Ah, that's what you meant

2018-06-01 09:09:04 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Loftux> The alfresco-irc-bot can be set to ignore alfbot incoming messages

2018-06-01 09:09:11 GMT <AFaust> transitive blocking...

2018-06-01 09:09:16 GMT <Tichodroma> :)

2018-06-01 09:10:52 GMT <AFaust> So - since we apparently like FOSS / FLOSS alternatives, if someone of us were to implement https://mattermost.uservoice.com/forums/306457-general/suggestions/9982719-add-restricted-users and host mattermost, it would be a valid alternative, no?

2018-06-01 09:10:53 GMT <alfbot> Title: EE: Single-Channel Guests for non-team members โ€“ Mattermost Feature Proposal Forum (at mattermost.uservoice.com)

2018-06-01 09:11:41 GMT <bhagyas> depends on who hosts the server

2018-06-01 09:11:49 GMT <bhagyas> xD

2018-06-01 09:11:53 GMT <AFaust> But judging from that suggestions, it feels like Mattermost FOSS / FLOSS is like Alfresco FOSS / FLOSS, as in "do what our analyst / sales people tell us is relevant, not what our community wants"

2018-06-01 09:12:23 GMT <AFaust> On the other hand, that would mean it's a good fit ;)

2018-06-01 09:12:37 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> yeah

2018-06-01 09:13:10 GMT <bhagyas> to get around @Tichodroma's ignore, I can ask it to use a UUID as username everytime it sends a message - so no one is left behind

2018-06-01 09:13:27 GMT <bhagyas> :]

2018-06-01 09:13:46 GMT <Tichodroma> A UUID as IRC handle?

2018-06-01 09:13:52 GMT <bhagyas> or a random string

2018-06-01 09:13:53 GMT <bhagyas> xD

2018-06-01 09:13:57 GMT <Tichodroma> Sounds like something Freenode will quickly stop

2018-06-01 09:14:57 GMT <bhagyas> Tichodroma: you are probably new to Freenode ;p

2018-06-01 09:15:10 GMT <Tichodroma> bhagyas: no

2018-06-01 09:15:55 GMT <Tichodroma> Well, I can not force anybody to stay on IRC. And if the community wants to go where the millenials are, fine.

2018-06-01 09:16:21 GMT <bhagyas> @Tichodroma u don't need an account for discord

2018-06-01 09:16:28 GMT <bhagyas> just come and visit

2018-06-01 09:16:34 GMT <Tichodroma> I know. I won't.

2018-06-01 09:16:46 GMT <bhagyas> pretty please :)

2018-06-01 09:17:20 GMT <tushar_> hi all

2018-06-01 09:18:26 GMT <tushar_> i wanted to ask that there are some files that i add in the Data dictionary folder through bootstarp

2018-06-01 09:18:44 GMT <tushar_> but when i make a tenent

2018-06-01 09:18:56 GMT <tushar_> the files are not copied

2018-06-01 09:19:09 GMT <tushar_> can anyone give me lead

2018-06-01 09:19:10 GMT <tushar_> ?

2018-06-01 09:19:56 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> @mbui Looking at the matrix page, I can't help but feel it's not really an established platform / spec yet. Only the client-server API spec has a stable version attached to it...

2018-06-01 09:23:33 GMT <twen> Hello

2018-06-01 09:26:04 GMT <alfresco-discord> <mbui> @AFaust That's probably true and why we didn't properly evaluate it. It's only ~3 years old.

2018-06-01 09:27:53 GMT <Tichodroma> tushar_: Such files are only bootsraped to the default tenant. How do you use bootstrap?

2018-06-01 09:28:06 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> @Twen https://discordapp.com/invite/f7XntQN

2018-06-01 09:28:07 GMT <alfbot> Title: Discord (at discordapp.com)

2018-06-01 09:28:10 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> come over here

2018-06-01 09:29:35 GMT <AFaust> twen: He means to say "Help us in evaluating this as a potential (!) alternative, so you can give your thoughts and concerns..."

2018-06-01 09:29:55 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> ๐Ÿ˜„

2018-06-01 09:30:29 GMT <AFaust> I honestly feel this should not become a question of "Who is the best pied piper...."

2018-06-01 09:30:47 GMT <twen> AFaust I think I understood that. I'm using already Discord. Thanks for the clarification ;)

2018-06-01 09:33:07 GMT <tushar_> @tichodroma i have some scripts and some overiden email templates that i bootstrap by org.alfresco.repo.module.ImporterModuleComponent class

2018-06-01 09:34:23 GMT <alfresco-discord> <mbui> Also I think Discord is more intuitive for non-technical users such as customers, project managers and end-users . For example, a different open source project that i'm contributing to, we started with ~5 people discussing development, now the Discord server has almost 400 users (github project has 68 contributors) . I think it's mainly because how "easy" it is to use and join.

2018-06-01 09:37:49 GMT <twen> Hmmm... how do I instert the link inside discord app:-/

2018-06-01 09:38:07 GMT <twen> found :)

2018-06-01 09:38:12 GMT <alfresco-discord> <twen> Hello

2018-06-01 09:38:12 GMT <Tichodroma> copy link, Ctrl-v?

2018-06-01 09:38:18 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> Welcome ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

2018-06-01 09:38:28 GMT <alfresco-discord> <twen> ha... all message are forwarded to IRC too

2018-06-01 09:38:42 GMT <alfresco-discord> <twen> hey @bhagyas

2018-06-01 09:38:47 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> hey

2018-06-01 09:39:39 GMT <alfresco-discord> <twen> A good point of discord is you can access it easily on the web too.

2018-06-01 09:40:44 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

2018-06-01 09:44:24 GMT <Tichodroma> https://discordapp.com/terms : "By uploading, distributing, transmitting or otherwise using Your Content with the Service, you grant to us a perpetual, nonexclusive, transferable, royalty-free, sublicensable, and worldwide license to use, host, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform, and display Your Content in connection with operating and

2018-06-01 09:44:25 GMT <alfbot> Title: Discord - Terms of Service (at discordapp.com)

2018-06-01 09:44:30 GMT <Tichodroma> providing the Service."

2018-06-01 09:44:33 GMT <Tichodroma> Fuck, yeah!

2018-06-01 09:44:52 GMT <Tichodroma> "The Company reserves the right to remove and permanently delete Your Content from the Service with or without notice for any reason or no reason."

2018-06-01 09:44:57 GMT <Tichodroma> So much for a history.

2018-06-01 09:45:29 GMT <Tichodroma> "The Company may also terminate or suspend your access to any Communication Channels at any time, without notice, for any reason. "

2018-06-01 09:46:20 GMT <bhagyas> Tichodroma: are you saying Richards laptop has better policies?

2018-06-01 09:46:37 GMT <Tichodroma> Don't you trust Richard? Shame on you!

2018-06-01 09:46:38 GMT <Loftux> Tichodroma: That kind of TOS is what any cloud service provider would have

2018-06-01 09:47:02 GMT <Tichodroma> Sure, that's why I don't use them.

2018-06-01 09:48:39 GMT <Loftux> Tichodroma: https://freenode.net/policies

2018-06-01 09:48:40 GMT <alfbot> Title: The Policies - freenode (at freenode.net)

2018-06-01 09:48:52 GMT <alfresco-discord> <twen> The without notice nor reason, is not nice and quite harsh.. more over if you consider RGPD on top

2018-06-01 09:49:25 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> @twen u can download all ur data from discord if u want

2018-06-01 09:49:29 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> there's data takeout

2018-06-01 09:50:23 GMT <Tichodroma> Loftux: Do you think these two are comparable regarding "any time, with or without a reason, with or without warning"?

2018-06-01 09:50:31 GMT <alfresco-discord> <twen> sure.. but if they decide to delete your data without reason, how do you download them ?

2018-06-01 09:51:19 GMT <bhagyas> I'm yet to compare the end of the world implications on our chat history

2018-06-01 09:51:20 GMT <bhagyas> :P

2018-06-01 09:52:09 GMT <alfresco-discord> <twen> Well.. RGPD is another topic, if we wantto test this server already, I guess

2018-06-01 09:52:20 GMT <bhagyas> muchi bigger OS communities, doesnt; seem to have a problem

2018-06-01 09:53:40 GMT <alfresco-discord> <mbui> They need to have such rules in their TOS because of "illegal " or border line illegal activities on various different discord channels I guess. I don't think the Alfresco server needs to worry about getting shutdown or data being deleted.

2018-06-01 09:53:57 GMT <Loftux> Tichodroma: Wasn't comparing, just that the free'est of them all also need tos. Law lingo for corporations sometimes need to have "without warning", i.e you start running a channel that is criminal

2018-06-01 09:54:52 GMT <Tichodroma> But that would still be a reason. The "no reason" section to me reads like: "We will do whatever we want and you can do nothing about it."

2018-06-01 09:55:42 GMT <bhagyas> Tichodroma: The universe doesn't provide a chat service for free, there has to be always someone to take the blame and do the groundwork - and they are entitled to their own rules

2018-06-01 09:56:21 GMT <Tichodroma> Sure. And I as a potential customer will read those rules and decide if I like them or not.

2018-06-01 09:56:29 GMT <bhagyas> Sure

2018-06-01 09:56:30 GMT <Loftux> Tichodroma: Like Alfresco can do with the Code, stop publishing any changes and become a closed source from then on.

2018-06-01 09:56:35 GMT <Tichodroma> If you like them, fine.

2018-06-01 09:57:00 GMT <AFaust> ...or stop publishing reasonable WAR artifacts...

2018-06-01 09:57:08 GMT <Tichodroma> Loftux: We can all continue on the last FLOSS version.

2018-06-01 09:58:39 GMT <Younes> twen, GDPR only applies to data they preserve, not to data that is not collected / deleted

2018-06-01 09:59:04 GMT <Younes> But I am pretty sure those clauses are made for NSFW content / ...

2018-06-01 09:59:41 GMT <Loftux> Tichodroma: Case in point was that we still give trust to a corporation that for Any reason (that they not have to disclose) can change. Same argument can be said about discord of they shut down - then move on to some other service.

2018-06-01 09:59:45 GMT <twen> We still can use something like rocket.chat or mattermost instead of irc or discord...

2018-06-01 09:59:58 GMT <bhagyas> or we can use pen and paper

2018-06-01 10:00:06 GMT <twen> (they are slack look al like but open source)

2018-06-01 10:01:24 GMT <twen> Now, I'm confused :p Teher message on IRC AND discord.. it beeps everywhere ^^

2018-06-01 10:02:15 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> We had the notification muting training yesterday ๐Ÿ˜›

2018-06-01 10:02:16 GMT <Younes> hehe

2018-06-01 10:02:28 GMT <Tichodroma> Loftux: Trust into Alfresco (the company) is getting smaller.

2018-06-01 10:03:16 GMT <alfresco-discord> <twen> @bhagyas Haha :p

2018-06-01 10:04:33 GMT <alfresco-discord> <mbui> twen: Yeah I agree, biggest challenge is that someone needs to maintain it if self-hosted.

2018-06-01 10:07:23 GMT <Loftux> Tichodroma: Can agree on that, and that is why something independent of Alfresco for a Community chat is important.

2018-06-01 10:09:30 GMT <Tichodroma> IRC is

2018-06-01 10:09:37 GMT <Tichodroma> AFAIK

2018-06-01 10:13:38 GMT <alfresco-discord> <twen> @mbui That's the drawback, indeed.. or not. You have https://sandstorm.io

2018-06-01 10:13:39 GMT <alfbot> Title: Sandstorm (at sandstorm.io)

2018-06-01 10:17:34 GMT <tushar_> hi everyone

2018-06-01 10:18:01 GMT <tushar_> if i have to bootstarp any file to data dictionary

2018-06-01 10:18:05 GMT <tushar_> shouch i use

2018-06-01 10:18:10 GMT <tushar_> should*

2018-06-01 10:18:19 GMT <tushar_> org.alfresco.repo.dictionary.DictionaryRepositoryBootstrap

2018-06-01 10:18:39 GMT <tushar_> or

2018-06-01 10:18:42 GMT <tushar_> org.alfresco.repo.module.ImporterModuleComponent

2018-06-01 10:31:35 GMT <qwebirc69497> setting width for dropdown in workflow (share-configuration)??

2018-06-01 10:32:24 GMT <AFaust> tushar_: ImproterModuleComponent - always IMHO

2018-06-01 10:34:13 GMT <AFaust> qwebirc69497: Care to ask that question again in a full sentence? Otherwise check the documentation (https://docs.alfresco.com/5.2/references/forms-reference.html) and use it for reference. You always have the option of using custom CSS...

2018-06-01 10:34:14 GMT <alfbot> Title: Forms reference | Alfresco Documentation (at docs.alfresco.com)

2018-06-01 10:37:19 GMT <qwebirc69497> Afaust while using dropdown we will not mention any ftl right for OOB??

2018-06-01 10:37:38 GMT <qwebirc69497> in share-config.xml

2018-06-01 10:38:53 GMT <AFaust> qwebirc69497: Even if you are not mentioning any ftl in the config, one of those ftl will be picked automatically, depending on the type of property you are displaying.

2018-06-01 10:39:09 GMT <AFaust> So selectone.ftl will be picked for any d:text property which has a list of values constraint...

2018-06-01 10:39:14 GMT <AFaust> for example...

2018-06-01 10:39:29 GMT <AFaust> resulting in a dropdown

2018-06-01 10:40:34 GMT <qwebirc69497> ok then by default it will take selectone.ftl

2018-06-01 11:21:01 GMT <tushar_> @ AFaust i use ImproterModuleComponent but my question is who do i make it for every tenent ?

2018-06-01 11:21:37 GMT <AFaust> Alfresco has explicitly disabled the execution of module components for tenants a while back...

2018-06-01 11:21:39 GMT <tushar_> default tenent gets the file and when i make a new one

2018-06-01 11:21:53 GMT <tushar_> ooh

2018-06-01 11:22:03 GMT <AFaust> They were used for exactly that purpose, but some components in their cloud did not behave correctly, so they disabled it for all

2018-06-01 11:22:24 GMT <tushar_> is there a way out ?

2018-06-01 11:22:26 GMT <tushar_> still ?

2018-06-01 11:23:38 GMT <AFaust> https://issues.alfresco.com/jira/browse/ALF-19207

2018-06-01 11:23:45 GMT <AFaust> Yeah - they did not revisit that

2018-06-01 11:23:55 GMT <AFaust> And multi-tenancy is on the way out anyway...

2018-06-01 11:24:39 GMT <AFaust> In previous cases where I required MT, I simply patched the ModuleComponentHelper class to remove the hardcoded UnsupportedOperationException in setApplyToTenants

2018-06-01 11:24:52 GMT <AFaust> ... and then set that property to true

2018-06-01 11:25:21 GMT <AFaust> Without a source patch there is no way to deal with that other than to write your own tenant deployer bean

2018-06-01 11:26:16 GMT <AFaust> .. and then you'd have to recreate the entire state management logic (versioning / persistence of "executed" state) that the module components provide

2018-06-01 11:30:43 GMT <tushar_> okay

2018-06-01 11:30:51 GMT <tushar_> thanks for you help

2018-06-01 12:02:25 GMT <alfresco-discord> <henrj> Perhaps someone here can help me with an Alfresco Sync Service 2.2 issue I'm having Basically I just applied the supplied sync service amp to my alfresco.war and I get this exception when starting up: https://pastebin.com/8yyRgB3v Anybody who recognizes the error?

2018-06-01 12:02:26 GMT <alfbot> Title: 2018-06-01 13:15:07,505 ERROR [web.context.ContextLoader] [localhost-startStop- - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)

2018-06-01 12:09:36 GMT <alfresco-discord> <henrj> Oh, I'm on Alfresco 5.2.3 btw

2018-06-01 12:47:50 GMT <alfresco-discord> <kgastaldo> Hi All - @Francesco Corti and I are changing things up with Office Hours. I've posted some details here - https://community.alfresco.com/community/connect/blog/2018/06/01/the-new-office-hours - and hope you all will join us next week!

2018-06-01 12:47:52 GMT <alfbot> Title: The *New* Office Hours | Alfresco Community (at community.alfresco.com)

2018-06-01 13:07:04 GMT <alfresco-discord> <douglascrp> morning

2018-06-01 13:07:49 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> Good morning @douglascrp

2018-06-01 13:21:34 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> @henrj Are you sure that the AMP is supported against Alfresco 5.2.3? Have you done any customisations / patches against it? The exception complains that a bean (typically provided by the Alfresco Enterprise Repository JAR) is missing...

2018-06-01 13:24:07 GMT <alfresco-discord> <henrj> It It should be supported according to alfresco https://docs.alfresco.com/syncservice/concepts/desktop-sync-prerequisites.html The alfresco instance is not a clean instance by no means, but if I uninstall the sync service amp it start without any problems

2018-06-01 13:24:08 GMT <alfbot> Title: Prerequisites and supported platforms | Alfresco Documentation (at docs.alfresco.com)

2018-06-01 13:24:36 GMT <alfresco-discord> <douglascrp> so far, I believe discord is a nice tool

2018-06-01 13:25:00 GMT <alfresco-discord> <douglascrp> when I logged in today, it showed me all the unread messages, and I could read all of them without having to use the history page

2018-06-01 13:25:11 GMT <alfresco-discord> <douglascrp> that is nice... just like gitter

2018-06-01 13:25:14 GMT <alfresco-discord> <douglascrp> so far, so good

2018-06-01 13:27:12 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> In terms of convenience it does have its advantages over IRC. To be fair though, the same can be said for Slack, mattermost et al, which have server-side history. Only IRC is ephemeral in that regard

2018-06-01 13:27:48 GMT <alfresco-discord> <douglascrp> I have no experience with none of them, so I can not compare with those

2018-06-01 13:28:19 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> Ts, ts Douglas... you "have no experience with any of them"

2018-06-01 13:28:36 GMT <alfresco-discord> <douglascrp> @AFaust tks

2018-06-01 13:29:04 GMT <alfresco-discord> <douglascrp> wow... it is even possible to edit my messa gere

2018-06-01 13:29:06 GMT <alfresco-discord> <douglascrp> here

2018-06-01 13:29:17 GMT <alfresco-discord> <douglascrp> awesome

2018-06-01 13:29:32 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> Oh - I haven't checked editing that far back - only tested editing the last message

2018-06-01 13:30:18 GMT <alfresco-discord> <douglascrp> the editing feature is +1 for discord

2018-06-01 13:31:39 GMT <alfresco-discord> <douglascrp> ok, back to uploader-plus

2018-06-01 13:32:11 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> I guess it all comes down to the following questions: 1) How important is running chat platform on FOSS?, 2) Who is / Is Alfresco willing to host and maintain a dedicated system for running a FOSS-based alternative? 3) Does any alternative (other than IRC / Discord) allow anonymous access for non-regular members of the community

2018-06-01 13:32:13 GMT <alfresco-discord> <douglascrp> I have to deal with this https://github.com/softwareloop/uploader-plus/issues/127

2018-06-01 13:32:15 GMT <alfbot> Title: Uploader plus messes up with the initialization of some form controls ยท Issue #127 ยท softwareloop/uploader-plus ยท GitHub (at github.com)

2018-06-01 13:34:05 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> Boy - that one has a long comment history already

2018-06-01 13:34:34 GMT <alfresco-discord> <douglascrp> yes

2018-06-01 13:34:53 GMT <alfresco-discord> <douglascrp> now I have to try to apply younes changes, without breaking what was working

2018-06-01 13:35:18 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> life would be so much easier if it had unit tests

2018-06-01 13:35:30 GMT <alfresco-discord> <douglascrp> @bhagyas ๐Ÿ˜„

2018-06-01 13:35:52 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> so much useless validation code has to be written due to non-availability of a proper unit testing framework for alf

2018-06-01 13:35:53 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> :[

2018-06-01 13:36:07 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> ๐Ÿ˜ญ

2018-06-01 13:36:27 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> (โ•ฏยฐโ–กยฐ๏ผ‰โ•ฏ๏ธต โ”ปโ”โ”ป

2018-06-01 13:37:29 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> โ”ฌโ”€โ”ฌ ใƒŽ( ใ‚œ-ใ‚œใƒŽ)

2018-06-01 13:38:48 GMT <alfresco-discord> <mbui> :triggered:

2018-06-01 13:41:13 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> you can press up arrow in compose to edit last message

2018-06-01 13:41:15 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> didn;t know that

2018-06-01 13:41:17 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

2018-06-01 13:44:45 GMT <alfresco-discord> <MorganP> I think it depends on the client

2018-06-01 13:45:35 GMT <alfresco-discord> <MorganP> but yeah, it's like skype for example in some aspects

2018-06-01 13:51:53 GMT <alfresco-discord> <douglascrp> chromium is behaving weird... I can not login in any share instance when using it

2018-06-01 13:52:05 GMT <alfresco-discord> <douglascrp> login is ok, but the page is never redirected to the users's dashboard

2018-06-01 13:52:19 GMT <alfresco-discord> <douglascrp> even using the full path in the address bar didn't work

2018-06-01 13:52:31 GMT <alfresco-discord> <douglascrp> it is always redirected to the login

2018-06-01 13:58:08 GMT <xkahn> uhhhh

2018-06-01 13:58:12 GMT <xkahn> What's happening in this channel?

2018-06-01 13:58:21 GMT <xkahn> alfresco-discord is ... going crazy?

2018-06-01 13:58:24 GMT * Tichodroma chuckles

2018-06-01 13:58:50 GMT <xkahn> Is this an attempt to bridge two chat systems?

2018-06-01 13:58:53 GMT <xkahn> It doesn't work

2018-06-01 13:58:55 GMT <Tichodroma> yup

2018-06-01 13:59:00 GMT <Tichodroma> correct

2018-06-01 13:59:05 GMT <Tichodroma> I've told them already

2018-06-01 13:59:09 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> xkahn: https://discordapp.com/invite/f7XntQN

2018-06-01 13:59:10 GMT <alfbot> Title: Discord (at discordapp.com)

2018-06-01 13:59:18 GMT <Tichodroma> good try

2018-06-01 13:59:36 GMT <xkahn> discord has to join as an IRC server in order to make it work

2018-06-01 13:59:51 GMT <xkahn> Or make multiple connections to simulate multiple people

2018-06-01 14:00:25 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> Invite link: https://discordapp.com/invite/f7XntQN

2018-06-01 14:00:26 GMT <alfbot> Title: Discord (at discordapp.com)

2018-06-01 14:00:40 GMT <xkahn> For example, I work with the IRC server at my office using a bot

2018-06-01 14:00:45 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> The invite link is now pinned to the channel

2018-06-01 14:00:48 GMT <xkahn> But no one knows I use a bot

2018-06-01 14:00:57 GMT <xkahn> because it looks like it's me

2018-06-01 14:01:04 GMT <xkahn> This looks terrible

2018-06-01 14:01:06 GMT <xkahn> terrible

2018-06-01 14:01:09 GMT <Tichodroma> +1

2018-06-01 14:01:12 GMT <Tichodroma> +1111

2018-06-01 14:01:17 GMT <xkahn> Also, I'm not going to use more than one chat system

2018-06-01 14:01:24 GMT <xkahn> so, it's either IRC or nothing

2018-06-01 14:01:27 GMT <Tichodroma> +11111

2018-06-01 14:01:33 GMT <xkahn> I've already dropped all my slack systems

2018-06-01 14:01:41 GMT <xkahn> since they dropped support for IRC

2018-06-01 14:02:11 GMT <xkahn> Although I'm looking at an open source IRC bridge someone is working on

2018-06-01 14:04:41 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> xkahn: u don't appear as a bot on the discord, u are aliased with webhooks

2018-06-01 14:04:55 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> just like the earlier integration you mentioned

2018-06-01 14:05:51 GMT <Tichodroma> alfresco-discord: But *you* appear as alfresco-discord on IRC, not as bhagyas

2018-06-01 14:06:21 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> yeah, cz that can stop people from impersonating, also IRC has logins, such as mine

2018-06-01 14:06:34 GMT <Tichodroma> ?

2018-06-01 14:06:54 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> it won't be able to use registered nicks

2018-06-01 14:07:00 GMT <Tichodroma> "it"?

2018-06-01 14:07:00 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> if it's to post as a different user

2018-06-01 14:07:08 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> (bot)

2018-06-01 14:07:28 GMT <Tichodroma> So there is no way to integrate this bot into IRC in an acceptable way.

2018-06-01 14:07:36 GMT <Tichodroma> => Discord comes, IRC dies

2018-06-01 14:08:02 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> it's happened with Slack IRC integration as well and they discontinued

2018-06-01 14:08:25 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> but if u can hack on the bot, i'd be happy to pull in those changes

2018-06-01 14:08:33 GMT <Tichodroma> I know that Slack is shit: https://opkode.com/blog/slacks-bait-and-switch/

2018-06-01 14:08:34 GMT <alfbot> Title: Opkode - Blog (at opkode.com)

2018-06-01 14:08:39 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> the bot is open source - after all

2018-06-01 14:09:05 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> Tichodrama, one reason I don't use Slack ๐Ÿ˜‰

2018-06-01 14:09:20 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> Find it weird that you always need an account

2018-06-01 14:09:25 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> when it comes to Slack

2018-06-01 14:09:30 GMT <Tichodroma> If, as you say, the problem is that IRC requires registered nicks and that the bot can only have *one* nick, we here in IRC have to read tons of messages from alfresco-discord

2018-06-01 14:09:35 GMT <Tichodroma> That sucks big time.

2018-06-01 14:09:50 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> you can configure your client to hide repeating nicks

2018-06-01 14:09:59 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> on each line and aggregate them

2018-06-01 14:10:26 GMT <Tichodroma> The main problem is that on the IRC side all you coming from D are *one* nick.

2018-06-01 14:10:30 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> on my IRC client, it only shows alfresco-irc-bot and it groups, instead of repeating

2018-06-01 14:10:32 GMT <Loftux> Tichodroma: But that are just the same messages that would have been directly posted here, so no more or less, just different users

2018-06-01 14:10:32 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> yeah

2018-06-01 14:10:34 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> exactly that

2018-06-01 14:10:39 GMT <Tichodroma> It looks like some lunatic is talking to himself

2018-06-01 14:11:20 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> well, most of the rest of were here today

2018-06-01 14:11:27 GMT <Tichodroma> ?

2018-06-01 14:12:26 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> @Tichodrama, u still haven't checked the history feature, right?

2018-06-01 14:12:48 GMT <Tichodroma> How is that related to the problem of the alfresco-discord nick on the IRC side?

2018-06-01 14:13:34 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> I thought u had ignored the bot in the first place

2018-06-01 14:13:38 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> ๐Ÿ˜„

2018-06-01 14:13:43 GMT <Tichodroma> sure, but I got curious

2018-06-01 14:13:52 GMT <Tichodroma> Nothing has changed, as I thought

2018-06-01 14:14:02 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> yeah, didn't make any changes to the bot

2018-06-01 14:14:16 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> so you're free to change the code as u see fit

2018-06-01 14:14:24 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> and make a pull request

2018-06-01 14:14:25 GMT <Tichodroma> I am free to ignore alfresco-discord

2018-06-01 14:14:34 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> of course ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

2018-06-01 14:15:23 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> on this side of the wall, you are the bot

2018-06-01 14:15:25 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Loftux> Tichodrama but then you will miss out on all the discussion starting in Discord

2018-06-01 14:15:28 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> but we appreciate u here

2018-06-01 14:19:54 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> @Francesco Corti I pinned the invite link and kirstens message to the room

2018-06-01 14:20:16 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> It was an error, sorry

2018-06-01 14:20:38 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> It's a big brother here....

2018-06-01 15:05:37 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bmejias> hi there.

2018-06-01 15:05:52 GMT <bmejias> hey bmejias.... nice seeing you

2018-06-01 15:05:58 GMT <alfresco-discord> <twen> oh, no.. Boris is here too !

2018-06-01 15:06:02 GMT <alfresco-discord> <twen> ๐Ÿ˜„

2018-06-01 15:06:09 GMT <bmejias> and here too

2018-06-01 15:06:16 GMT <twen> noway :p

2018-06-01 15:07:46 GMT <bmejias> Well, one of the thing is, specially for Tichodroma and xkahn, that this PoC to integrate with a different chat server, is to find a way to get more communication with the Alfresco engineers

2018-06-01 15:07:57 GMT <bmejias> we know very few of them join this channel

2018-06-01 15:08:16 GMT <bmejias> and that they have an internal service to communicate between them.

2018-06-01 15:08:36 GMT <bmejias> but that's Slack... and I think we all share the same love for slack here on IRC

2018-06-01 15:08:59 GMT <bmejias> so, since Discord seems to be able to integrate both with IRC and Slack

2018-06-01 15:09:22 GMT <bmejias> it might be a good bridge to also get some involvement with Alfresco engineers

2018-06-01 15:09:28 GMT <bmejias> at least, that's how I understand it.

2018-06-01 15:09:53 GMT <bmejias> the bridge is not perfect of course, because you see the alfresco-discord every time

2018-06-01 15:10:09 GMT <bmejias> but each message starts with the discord username

2018-06-01 15:10:14 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bmejias> like this one

2018-06-01 15:10:38 GMT <bmejias> I think it's readable and I can follow the conversations easily from IRC.

2018-06-01 15:11:14 GMT <bmejias> but of course... my appreciations on "beautiful/ugly" are recommended to be immediately discarded.

2018-06-01 15:12:00 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bmejias> as long as it works and I don't terribly dislike it, it is good to me

2018-06-01 19:10:43 GMT *** mmccarthy1 is now known as mmccarthy

2018-06-01 21:08:48 GMT <qwebirc68022> hi

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