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2018-06-06 05:58:23 GMT <Sumit> Hi All, reverting version of a content node has lossed all it's metadata properties values. Same behaviour is happening in vanilla installation.

2018-06-06 06:01:45 GMT <Sumit> Can anyone plz help me? How to restore all metadata?

2018-06-06 06:22:37 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> Sumit, that is the expected behaviour in Alfresco

2018-06-06 06:25:50 GMT <Sumit> Ok. But node types are same in both the versions therefore same properties.

2018-06-06 06:27:32 GMT <Sumit> @alfresco-discord : Can you please help me to understand why this is a expected behavior of alfresco?

2018-06-06 07:01:03 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> @digicat it can be written by Alfresco. ๐Ÿ˜‰

2018-06-06 07:23:12 GMT *** rluders__ is now known as rluders

2018-06-06 07:29:44 GMT <AFaust> Sumit: Simply restore the last version before the revert. A revert operation does not delete the version history, it simply creates a new version with the metadata / content as they were in the reference version.

2018-06-06 07:43:16 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> hi @Francesco Corti yes code is code, not really sure why either they didnt do that in the first place, or just extend the drupal site, and add some moderators to that. better if alfresco did write their own perhaps, sticks with the all written in house approach. just wondering, with this example of Jive, how could customers be protected from any future deal, say with a competitor, who might decide

2018-06-06 07:43:16 GMT <alfresco-discord> to mothball in favour of their own code base, is there anything, other than "open source", which could protect customers ?

2018-06-06 07:44:24 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> @digcat it sounds to me something like "how to survive to the zombie attack" (quote)... do you remeber who am I quoting?

2018-06-06 07:44:33 GMT <LMattioli> Hi! I've a question on ASR (https://docs.alfresco.com/5.2/concepts/asr-overview.html). The documentations says "ASR is licensed separately". The question: Is available in the Community version?

2018-06-06 07:44:35 GMT <alfbot> Title: Alfresco System Receiver (ASR) | Alfresco Documentation (at docs.alfresco.com)

2018-06-06 07:44:35 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> indeed

2018-06-06 07:45:43 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> perhaps it should have been how to survive a PE buyout attack ๐Ÿ˜„

2018-06-06 07:46:39 GMT <angelborroy> LMattioli no, itโ€™s only Enteprise > https://docs.alfresco.com/community/concepts/asr-overview.html

2018-06-06 07:46:47 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> so enterprise customers should be all supportive of keeping a true open source version to keep their options open

2018-06-06 07:46:47 GMT <AFaust> LMattioli: Anything that is licensed separately by Alfresco is typically not available for Community Edition, unless there already exists an Open Source variant of it (like RM)

2018-06-06 07:47:04 GMT <AFaust> ... or SOLR

2018-06-06 07:47:57 GMT <angelborroy> or Support Tools :)

2018-06-06 07:48:44 GMT <AFaust> Well - not until they were ported to be Community compatible...

2018-06-06 07:48:51 GMT <LMattioli> Many Thanks Angelborroy and AFaust!

2018-06-06 07:49:01 GMT <AFaust> The old Support Tools was Open Source but not compatible...

2018-06-06 07:49:27 GMT <angelborroy> Your precision for everything is awesome, AFaust!

2018-06-06 07:51:53 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> are there any open source projects which have compatibility with alfresco 6 yet ?

2018-06-06 07:53:00 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> Do you mean "proven compatibility" or just "compatibility"?

2018-06-06 07:53:09 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> proven

2018-06-06 07:53:26 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> rather than theoretical

2018-06-06 07:53:29 GMT <angelborroy> repo projects cannot be deployed in Alfresco 6 without modifications

2018-06-06 07:53:36 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> Since there are very few substantial changes in Alfresco 6.0 (apart from deployment and some library updates), addons like OOTBee Support Tools should be compatible without any changes /receompilation

2018-06-06 07:53:45 GMT <angelborroy> I tried 2 or 3 of my own and they all require re-compilation and adaptations

2018-06-06 07:54:03 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> angelborroy: What did you use that required recompilation?

2018-06-06 07:54:20 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> Did you rely on some of the horribly managed 3rd-party dependencies Alfresco includes?

2018-06-06 07:54:20 GMT <angelborroy> Let me rememberโ€ฆ

2018-06-06 07:54:31 GMT <angelborroy> JSON

2018-06-06 07:54:33 GMT <angelborroy> PDF

2018-06-06 07:54:50 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> JSON-what? org.json JAR?

2018-06-06 07:54:51 GMT <angelborroy> I can extract a list

2018-06-06 07:55:05 GMT <angelborroy> I try to use always org.json

2018-06-06 07:55:12 GMT <angelborroy> but my colleagues are more โ€œimaginative"

2018-06-06 07:55:31 GMT <angelborroy> Anyway, Iโ€™ll take this task next year or so

2018-06-06 07:55:37 GMT <angelborroy> When Alfresco 6 will be an alternative

2018-06-06 07:55:42 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> also was wondering with respect to new OS releases, live ubuntu 18, using wars to deploy will any one at Alfresco want to know if there are problems?

2018-06-06 07:55:55 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> Did that change? I can't imagine since a lot of the core depends on that, and it seems extremely unlikely Alfresco did the work and adapt everything...

2018-06-06 07:57:59 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> will have to do a test run deploying Alfresco WARs the traditional way with 6.0 and OOTBee Support Tools - whenever he finds the time..

2018-06-06 07:58:44 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> also has to find some time to write a rant blog posts about the Maven artifacts mess and need for transactionality... (too few hours in a day)

2018-06-06 08:05:41 GMT <angelborroy> AFaust Every feature (repo & share) for OOTB working in 201804-EA but Scheduled Jobs

2018-06-06 08:06:20 GMT <angelborroy> This page shows an empty list

2018-06-06 08:06:38 GMT <angelborroy> using

2018-06-06 08:09:08 GMT <AFaust> Do you maybe have a stacktrace / exception from the logs?

2018-06-06 08:09:14 GMT <angelborroy> nope

2018-06-06 08:09:28 GMT <angelborroy> just an empty page

2018-06-06 08:09:34 GMT <angelborroy> also no traces in JavaScript Console

2018-06-06 08:10:06 GMT <angelborroy> Sorry to disturb you, I was curious about it

2018-06-06 08:10:17 GMT <AFaust> No problem...

2018-06-06 08:14:09 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> @Francesco Corti can i just ask that question again, regarding OS compatibility for alfresco, will that be of interest to enterprise users, or will enterprise only be supported if its deployed in kubernetes?

2018-06-06 08:20:24 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> @Francesco Corti Keeping in mind that "only supporting deployment in Kubernetes" is a definitive no-go for a lot of Enterprise customers using Alfresco on-premises within defined "allowed" software architectures and guidelines...

2018-06-06 08:21:25 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> Though at this point I believe that no longer factors in any considerations, since US/UK/Fortune500 companies seem to be the only target group of customers...

2018-06-06 08:22:00 GMT <angelborroy> IMO supporting both Kubernetes and local deployment is not possible forever

2018-06-06 08:22:19 GMT <angelborroy> Probably 6.0 will be also released for local deployment, but 6.1 will be only Kubernetes based

2018-06-06 08:22:35 GMT <angelborroy> I have to say that Iโ€™ve worked for 3 or 4 Fortune 500 companies

2018-06-06 08:22:49 GMT <angelborroy> They havenโ€™t heard about Kubernetes nowadays

2018-06-06 08:23:18 GMT <angelborroy> So the are far far away from deploying like that

2018-06-06 08:23:30 GMT <angelborroy> What itโ€™s more feasible is to deploy on a Cloud Provider

2018-06-06 08:23:32 GMT <AFaust> "not possible forever"... well, given the quality of Alfresco support, I'd have to agree. With competent support and a clean / decent architecture, I don't see a reason why it wouldn't be possible

2018-06-06 08:24:26 GMT <angelborroy> My point is that microservices are going to be smaller with the time and this will make hard to deploy (and control) the product without Kubernetes or so

2018-06-06 08:25:03 GMT <angelborroy> And IMO they will not be maintaining both approachs for the platform: components & microservices

2018-06-06 08:25:29 GMT <AFaust> Make it harder, but not impossible, unless you deliberately want to lock-in users / customers...

2018-06-06 08:25:42 GMT <angelborroy> That also can be a motivation

2018-06-06 08:25:53 GMT <angelborroy> anyway, this is only my opinion and (again) I have no other information than you

2018-06-06 08:26:31 GMT <AFaust> And on the microservice front, there are limits how far they can drive this before Alfresco becomes a use-less pile of non-transactional crap...

2018-06-06 08:27:15 GMT <AFaust> So when that point is reached that it would be hard to support because of all the microservices, chances are I would not be involved anymore with those Alfresco versions...

2018-06-06 08:27:58 GMT <angelborroy> I agree

2018-06-06 08:28:04 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> this surely represents a big risk for enterprise users, particularly the really big ones, being at the mercy of a PE groups intentions

2018-06-06 08:28:11 GMT <AFaust> ... as literally no customer of mine would benefit from such a system at that point in time anymore, so they would not upgrade / select it

2018-06-06 08:28:52 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> on a stack which is still maturing

2018-06-06 08:29:56 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> dreaming of the days of 4.2.f

2018-06-06 08:30:37 GMT <angelborroy> for me 5.0.d was the better release

2018-06-06 08:30:43 GMT <angelborroy> the last โ€œclassicalโ€ one :D

2018-06-06 08:31:15 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> yes, that is good, although the share dojo stuff, might be harder to maintain, than the old admin client

2018-06-06 08:31:30 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> i saw dojo2 is almost out

2018-06-06 08:31:32 GMT <AFaust> Hmmm... I would pick 5.2 (mostly for the Share / Dojo stuff digcat mentions)

2018-06-06 08:31:57 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> Kubernetes is early for the most

2018-06-06 08:32:08 GMT <AFaust> though from a different perspective of "it wasn't as evolved in 4.2/5.0 yet)

2018-06-06 08:32:12 GMT <angelborroy> wow, Francesco is joining!

2018-06-06 08:32:57 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> Why, Iโ€™m always here when I can :-

2018-06-06 08:33:17 GMT <angelborroy> I was just happy to have you in the conversation...

2018-06-06 08:33:45 GMT <angelborroy> We look like retired soliders sharing virtual beers :D

2018-06-06 08:33:47 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> Iโ€™m using the mobile app

2018-06-06 08:33:57 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> Ah ah ah

2018-06-06 08:34:29 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> I was saying: deployment on premise through the war is guarantee

2018-06-06 08:35:03 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> so fcorti re testing in new OS versions, Ubuntu, Centos, Redhat .....

2018-06-06 08:35:05 GMT <angelborroy> guaranteed for Alfresco 6.0 or for Alfresco 6.x

2018-06-06 08:35:05 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> The wizard has gone, war plus docker plus kubernetes has been added

2018-06-06 08:35:43 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> nothing can be guaranteed i suspect

2018-06-06 08:36:02 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> @Francesco Corti since you did not react yesterday - any chance to clean up the WAR artifact mess, i.e. ensure that org.alfresco:alfresco:war is still valid in 6.0?

2018-06-06 08:36:04 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> Exactly, this is how business works

2018-06-06 08:36:42 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> Makes no sense to change the artifact ID now given that they may vanish in 7.x or later anyway...

2018-06-06 08:37:08 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> War will be there elite 6.0 and all the roadmaps tell that war will remain for on premise deployment

2018-06-06 08:37:27 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> Removing the war is not an option in these days

2018-06-06 08:38:42 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> AFaust I saw the discussion but I was running behind the DBP ... Iโ€™m not aware about similar plans to โ€œcleanโ€ the war stuff

2018-06-06 08:48:51 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> so @Francesco Corti is the zombie apocalypse almost upon us ! ๐Ÿ˜„

2018-06-06 08:49:20 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> Definitely no

2018-06-06 08:49:56 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> But the community is the Master of the Avengers to prevent it

2018-06-06 08:50:04 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> ๐Ÿ˜ƒ e

2018-06-06 08:50:06 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> we need leverage

2018-06-06 08:50:35 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> open source is a great sales word

2018-06-06 08:51:07 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> It is, but behind the sales word there are facts

2018-06-06 08:51:16 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> The new activity 7 is a fact

2018-06-06 08:51:50 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> And ACS Community is a fact since a lot of time and will continue to exist

2018-06-06 08:51:58 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> The question is: how

2018-06-06 08:52:07 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> ?

2018-06-06 08:52:45 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> Which is the differentiation strategy from the EE and the DBP

2018-06-06 08:52:48 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> ?

2018-06-06 08:52:59 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> but slowly breaking things up, and not having a working community version, will cause the community to disintegrate

2018-06-06 08:57:31 GMT <yreg> AFaust, catching up with the conversation from this morning

2018-06-06 08:57:40 GMT <yreg> You might want to peek at https://github.com/Alfresco/alfresco-repository/wiki/ACS-6-Migration-Guide#quartz

2018-06-06 08:57:41 GMT <alfbot> Title: ACS 6 Migration Guide ยท Alfresco/alfresco-repository Wiki ยท GitHub (at github.com)

2018-06-06 08:59:00 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> anyway, time will tell, i guess the main concern as you are hearing is with fear about alfresco 6+, and how that will be,

2018-06-06 09:03:34 GMT <AFaust> yreg: Ok... well, then we'll have to write a if-else or try-catch-fallback API switch into our Scheduled Jobs tool.

2018-06-06 09:03:51 GMT <AFaust> Luckily since OOTBee Support Tools is primarily using JavaScript, this is possible...

2018-06-06 09:05:05 GMT * yreg is wondering if that JS code in OOTBee support tools is a blessing or a curse!

2018-06-06 09:05:47 GMT <AFaust> It is a blessing for compatibility and extensibility... it is a curse because we have to deal with the crappy old Rhino engine...

2018-06-06 09:06:12 GMT <AFaust> No need to create any version-specific branches / sub-versions of the addon

2018-06-06 09:13:11 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> @digcat I hear it loud... but I'm confident it's a lack in the communication. Please don't stop checking (and asking).

2018-06-06 09:20:46 GMT <yreg> @digcat, AFAIK, the plan is to keep the war for a long time to come, unlike angelborroy I do not think this deployment option could be taken away in a minor release

2018-06-06 09:21:41 GMT <yreg> But it might in a major release (not that I think that would be feasible for the short term ie 7.0)

2018-06-06 09:22:54 GMT <yreg> On the other hand, I do not expect a 6.1 release, as if I understood resplin right, I think Alfresco is going to be making more 3rd lib upgrades in the future, and that will probably be the reason for more breaking changes and so a new major release

2018-06-06 09:23:31 GMT <yreg> @digcat if ever wars are taken away, you will be left with runnable jars

2018-06-06 09:24:24 GMT <yreg> And I assume if you would be using ASMs, applying your customisations should be as easy as putting your ASM in the java classpath

2018-06-06 09:40:45 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> @Francesco Corti of course will keep asking

2018-06-06 09:47:48 GMT <allen> Hi, I need to disable delete button in alfresco (i.e delete folder and all delete options) How should I do it ?

2018-06-06 09:48:07 GMT <qwebirc7286> hellp

2018-06-06 09:48:34 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> @yreg in terms of support, the issue will be features which get dropped from community, will effect the smaller users. perhaps this is intentional, i saw a review of alfresco, and its specifically aiming at Large enterprises, as Axel mentions fortune 500, UK and US. presumably once all avenues for these big players have been exhausted, they may consider other countries/customer sizes, if they havent

2018-06-06 09:48:35 GMT <alfresco-discord> hit the KPI's by that time and THL haven't lined up the sale. which is the main problem as I see it, what protects alfresco from being mothballed by a competitor

2018-06-06 09:48:56 GMT <alfresco-discord> <mikel_asla> allen: Can't you just set user perms to Consumer?

2018-06-06 09:49:07 GMT <angelborroy> allen You find instructions at https://docs.alfresco.com/community/concepts/doclib-web-tier.html

2018-06-06 09:49:08 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> Itโ€™s Swedish national day today! ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ช

2018-06-06 09:49:09 GMT <alfbot> Title: Alfresco Share Document Library web tier | Alfresco Documentation (at docs.alfresco.com)

2018-06-06 09:49:25 GMT <angelborroy> allen Read โ€œActionsโ€ paragraph

2018-06-06 09:49:25 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> hi @mikel_asla glad your joining the board race, ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

2018-06-06 09:49:58 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> @bhagyas happy Swedish Day !!

2018-06-06 09:50:04 GMT <alfresco-discord> <mikel_asla> ๐Ÿ˜Š

2018-06-06 09:52:29 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> @digcat I have the same concern

2018-06-06 09:52:57 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> but the thing is all of what we are discussion would affect both EE an CE just the same

2018-06-06 09:53:04 GMT *** yreg is now known as younes

2018-06-06 09:53:50 GMT * younes needs to set different default nick for IRC so that he doesn't get beeps everywhere when he talk

2018-06-06 09:53:54 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> yes, more risk for enterprise users, who have invested the licence fees as well

2018-06-06 09:53:54 GMT <younes> s

2018-06-06 09:54:32 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> wondering if any astute customers are raising this issue with sales teams yet

2018-06-06 09:54:53 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> I hope that us bugging francesco about it would eventually get it done right

2018-06-06 09:55:20 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> I will also ping Ole as soon as he gets back from vacation

2018-06-06 09:55:32 GMT * younes realises Martin--Mueller is here !

2018-06-06 09:56:40 GMT <younes> Hello Martin, can you shed some light on the latest war artefacts renaming and if there is a plan to deploy alfresco.war / alfresco-platform.war again to alfresco nexus repos ?

2018-06-06 09:57:45 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> @digcat once the war names are fixed, upgrading SDK 3.0 projects will become very easy

2018-06-06 09:58:32 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> yep

2018-06-06 09:58:53 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> @Francesco Corti any idea who is behind those frequent renaming operations ?

2018-06-06 09:59:24 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> @DavidWebster was wondering if I might ask a question, was wondering if you or Roy had contemplated a dojo2 upgrade in RM (Share)?

2018-06-06 09:59:44 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> @yreg most of the times the teams. Sometimes Marketing.

2018-06-06 09:59:59 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> marketing !>!!> holy cow

2018-06-06 10:00:24 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> ๐Ÿ˜‰

2018-06-06 10:01:26 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> What does marketing have to do with this, it's purely a developer concern

2018-06-06 10:02:00 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> if marketing wants something, please create a new alias but leave the original artifacts alone

2018-06-06 10:03:11 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> @digcat thanks! ๐Ÿ˜Š

2018-06-06 10:03:17 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> tack!

2018-06-06 10:03:47 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> well, naming, communication, is something marketing usually deal with. Right or wrong, is how it is. ๐Ÿ˜‰

2018-06-06 10:04:06 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> so marketing and sales are running the show then

2018-06-06 10:04:19 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> naaaa, they are part of the show

2018-06-06 10:04:25 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> is wondering if there is an equivalent to "Technical Writer" in the marketing area as a role that could help educate them...

2018-06-06 10:04:44 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> @Francesco Corti I do not understand why/how marketing can influence the name of an artifact in a nexus repo

2018-06-06 10:05:08 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> or they know it breaks things, and think it will force more sales ?

2018-06-06 10:05:12 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> AFaust: yes there is, but it's under the Engineering Dept. In Docs team. Martine Berljung and many others there.

2018-06-06 10:05:25 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> Sales does not care about naming.

2018-06-06 10:06:31 GMT <angelborroy> -= THIS MESSAGE NOT LOGGED =-

2018-06-06 10:06:41 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> so they are running the show, and only interfere if engineering dont do what they are told ? sounds a bit like the politics in Italy ๐Ÿ˜„

2018-06-06 10:06:46 GMT <angelborroy> -= THIS MESSAGE NOT LOGGED =-

2018-06-06 10:07:12 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> @Francesco Corti Martin is what I would call a Technical Writer, but I am looking specifically for a role within the Marketing "namespace of roles" that would have similar responsibilities, such as educate the non-technical folks about the impacts of their requirements / requests...

2018-06-06 10:07:48 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> @digcat as you can see: we usually call "italian" what is definetely common. Italians are simply more self-ironic people.

2018-06-06 10:07:49 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> ๐Ÿ˜‰

2018-06-06 10:07:52 GMT <fwu> hi all

2018-06-06 10:07:59 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> hehe,

2018-06-06 10:08:18 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> AFaust, in this case I don't think the role exists.

2018-06-06 10:10:32 GMT <fwu> ppl, how can I get a list of content types I have in the repository and the metadata associated to each? It seems the ACS doesnt have services for this. Is there any webscripts returning this?

2018-06-06 10:10:40 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> so @Francesco Corti do the sales and marketing people understand the impact, im assuming engineering would be jumping up and down ?

2018-06-06 10:11:23 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> @angel.borroy you should find it an experience, compare notes on the other side

2018-06-06 10:11:51 GMT <angelborroy> fwu http://localhost:8080/alfresco/s/api/dictionary

2018-06-06 10:12:34 GMT <angelborroy> -= THIS MESSAGE NOT LOGGED =-

2018-06-06 10:13:17 GMT <angelborroy> -= THIS MESSAGE NOT LOGGED =-

2018-06-06 10:13:29 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> yeah and dont mention community

2018-06-06 10:14:00 GMT <angelborroy> of course, we are a bunch of hippies and everyone knows this

2018-06-06 10:14:11 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> hehe peace man ! ๐Ÿ˜„

2018-06-06 10:14:19 GMT <angelborroy> just joking :D

2018-06-06 10:17:11 GMT <fwu> angelborroy thank you. I will look at it.

2018-06-06 10:28:01 GMT <younes> angelborroy, that went quite well I see :D

2018-06-06 10:28:19 GMT <younes> I really don't want to share my experience

2018-06-06 10:29:08 GMT <younes> -= THIS MESSAGE NOT LOGGED =-

2018-06-06 10:30:24 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> Yes, [nolog] does not work on Discord... is there a way here @bhagyas?

2018-06-06 10:31:00 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> I assume we can always bug the king so that he deletes those manually ๐Ÿ˜›

2018-06-06 10:31:33 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> by king I mean server owner with the crown

2018-06-06 10:32:03 GMT <allen> angelborroy thanks for your help

2018-06-06 10:32:05 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> I would love to see more kings here (nothing against @bhagyas and I'm not thinking to me, for example)

2018-06-06 10:39:59 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> https://support.discordapp.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000516572-Server-Ownership-The-Crown-Icon

2018-06-06 10:40:00 GMT <alfbot> Title: Server Ownership - The Crown Icon โ€“ Discord (at support.discordapp.com)

2018-06-06 10:42:32 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> This is the list of OPs on the IRC channel [12:40] -ChanServ- Entry Nickname/Host Flags [12:40] -ChanServ- ----- ---------------------- ----- [12:40] -ChanServ- 1 resplin +AFRefiorstv [modified 6y 47w 6d ago] [12:40] -ChanServ- 2 jpotts +AFRefiorstv [modified 6y 47w 5d ago] [12:40] -ChanServ- 3 ohej +AFRefiorstv [modified 3y 8w 3d

2018-06-06 10:42:32 GMT <alfresco-discord> ago] [12:40] -ChanServ- 4 fcorti +AFRefiorstv [modified 1w 0d 3h ago] [12:40] -ChanServ- ----- ---------------------- ----- [12:40] -ChanServ- End of #alfresco FLAGS listing.

2018-06-06 11:17:16 GMT <harison> Hi,everyone

2018-06-06 11:19:05 GMT <harison> I want to sync alfresco process service with alfresco community (or) content services is it possible.If it is possible please send me the links

2018-06-06 11:32:19 GMT <younes> harison, You mean sync users ?

2018-06-06 11:37:14 GMT <harison> we cant sync whole process

2018-06-06 11:38:12 GMT <younes> Define what do you mean by process

2018-06-06 11:40:09 GMT <harison> I want to sync the workflows of process service(activiti) _younes

2018-06-06 11:49:39 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> I have never heard of that requirement, and to be honest, I don't think that to be reasonable feasible without major developments

2018-06-06 11:50:13 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> but what you can do is to use ADF in front of both, to have both process and content features accessible from one single UI

2018-06-06 11:59:43 GMT <harison> Yerg _ I have done with the adf

2018-06-06 12:16:30 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Loftux> @Francesco Corti Unfortunately there can be only one King. That's a limitation of discord. But I think you can create a group where members get all the same powers. @bhagyas

2018-06-06 12:17:11 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> @Loftux thank you for the answer. Sounds good to me... last word to the OOTBee. ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

2018-06-06 12:19:56 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> I dont want ootb to do anything with this

2018-06-06 12:20:07 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> its disfunctional by design

2018-06-06 12:20:34 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> So, I understand you want to be the only king?

2018-06-06 12:20:53 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> discord allows only one owner per server

2018-06-06 12:20:56 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> He is just revolting over the OOTB

2018-06-06 12:21:12 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> but alfresco community reps have nearly all the admin powers

2018-06-06 12:21:17 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> that discord allows

2018-06-06 12:21:19 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> doing what he does best, complain ๐Ÿ˜›

2018-06-06 12:21:34 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> which @Francesco Corti and @kgastaldo are members

2018-06-06 12:21:47 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> @yreg eh eh

2018-06-06 12:22:03 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> @yreg setting up the bot and poc within a day is something ootb can never do ๐Ÿ˜‚

2018-06-06 12:22:29 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> @yreg youre the one complaining here

2018-06-06 12:22:43 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> if anyone has a problem they are free to leave discord

2018-06-06 12:22:45 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> and use irc

2018-06-06 12:23:06 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> meta-complain: complaining on complain

2018-06-06 12:23:40 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> @bhagyas how do you suggest to manage the admin with this tool?

2018-06-06 12:27:13 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> @Francesco Corti you have all the admin powers, except ownership - which id be happy to hand over when im done with alfresco for good

2018-06-06 12:27:22 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> but thats a remote possibility as of now

2018-06-06 12:27:59 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> What happen if you will win the lottery and will decide to sell ice-creams on a Hawaii beach?

2018-06-06 12:28:33 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> then id hand this over first ๐Ÿ˜‰

2018-06-06 12:28:49 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> If you will win the lottery... you don't care

2018-06-06 12:28:54 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> id like this to be run by non alfresco entity

2018-06-06 12:29:04 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> +1

2018-06-06 12:29:06 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> so possibly loftux will take over

2018-06-06 12:29:13 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> ๐Ÿ˜„

2018-06-06 12:30:02 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> Moving the things within friends only has a name in Italy

2018-06-06 12:30:04 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> ๐Ÿ˜‰

2018-06-06 12:30:49 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> @Loftux already sponsors for bot hosting and sponsored time for setting this up

2018-06-06 12:30:55 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> so its only right he gets it

2018-06-06 12:32:17 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> I already shared my thoughts... if the OOTBee is happy, I'm happy.

2018-06-06 12:44:32 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> @bhagyas I really don't want to get into a flame war with you

2018-06-06 12:45:17 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> I am confident that (almost) everyone here knows what the order is capable of ...

2018-06-06 12:45:35 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> but back to the original topic

2018-06-06 12:46:18 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> I think we could set an other role, with wider circle (known people from the community) with the extra permission of managing messages

2018-06-06 12:46:59 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> then that group will have the possibility to delete other users messages or pin them (most importantly delete nolog bot messages)

2018-06-06 12:47:56 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> or invest some time in that bot so that it doesn't tunnel those messages at all or auto delete them after a couple of minutes or so

2018-06-06 12:49:28 GMT <alfresco-discord> <DavidWebster> @digcat - Dojo2? Yes I've contemplated it, but haven't got any further than "wouldn't it be nice if we could use dojo 2 widgets inside dojo 1 apps (e.g. Aikau) or vice versa". I've not had chance to dig into any code yet, but there's potential Dojo 2 could provide a route to modernising apps built using Aikau or assist with migration to ADF based apps. Have you looked at Dojo 2 yet?

2018-06-06 12:54:13 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> @yreg agree, Iโ€™ll setup a moderators role tomorrow for it

2018-06-06 12:54:27 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> thatโ€™s a valid concern

2018-06-06 12:54:45 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> so if anyone wants to volunteer for it, applications are open now

2018-06-06 12:55:01 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> ๐Ÿ˜Š

2018-06-06 12:55:54 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> there will be a separate discord role for it and the username will have a different color and a grouping

2018-06-06 12:58:18 GMT <alfresco-discord> <bhagyas> I propose @douglascrp and @digcat the first moderators, since they are on non european working hours, and we have fcorti and kgastaldo on european and american working hours

2018-06-06 13:13:20 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> "dysfunctional by design" - if you include "people are not willing to put in the time or collaborate in a constructive way", then @bhagyas may be right about OOTBee...

2018-06-06 13:14:09 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> finds some irony in that statement :D

2018-06-06 13:15:33 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> And OOTBee does not have to control anything / everything in the community. As long as something is working well, why should OOTBee bother at all... If channel management is already shared between Alfresco and community members, IMHO it would be perfectly fine...

2018-06-06 13:16:40 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> +1

2018-06-06 13:18:07 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> From my point of view, OOTBee is meant as a facilitator of collaboration, not a sort of governing body / foundation. I know some people think it cannot not work (is dysfunctional by design) unless it is a foundation, but so far there has not been any interest (that I am aware of) in really setting such a thing (incl. financial backing)

2018-06-06 13:20:21 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> And concerning Discord, I'll just repeat my concerns / question from yesterday towards @kgastaldo / @Francesco Corti : Do we consider this a "fait accompli" or do we want to engage other members (not yet aware of this) via a poll on the community platform?

2018-06-06 13:21:59 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> ... and how do we intend to address (if at all) any concerns / rejections people have so far brought forward...

2018-06-06 15:06:57 GMT <alfresco-discord> <douglascrp> @bhagyas I am in for the moderator roel

2018-06-06 15:07:05 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> Arghh... the perils of semi-transparent proprietary source.... how the heck is the DB in APS being initialised and where could I hook in...?

2018-06-06 15:07:42 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> curses this whole conflagration of annotations, Spring bootstrap and whatnot-magic...

2018-06-06 15:08:25 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> @AFaust I assume that should not very different from activiti

2018-06-06 15:08:37 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> my bet is that you can get an answer on activiti gitter channel

2018-06-06 15:08:45 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> Oh....@yreg

2018-06-06 15:08:53 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> You should not not assume any such thing....

2018-06-06 15:09:06 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> I know Bassam is usually lurking there, and he is quite helpful in my experience

2018-06-06 15:10:04 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> APS is extremely different from core activiti. It is a lot of bits and bolts tacked unto an originally good core engine, in a horrible, sub-par quality (parameter null-checking is non-existent, Exceptions are silently catched left-and-right)...

2018-06-06 15:11:30 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> Well, I don't know if it makes it any better for you, but I hear APS 2.0 (ETA end of this year) will be far more consistent with activiti

2018-06-06 15:11:34 GMT <alfresco-discord> <douglascrp> @AFaust it is that bad, really?

2018-06-06 15:11:49 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> It's like the Beauty and the Beast, but only after the Beast accidentally feasted on the Beauty one day, and you can only see from the bump in his belly that some beauty must exist within that horrible creature

2018-06-06 15:12:11 GMT <alfresco-discord> <douglascrp> ๐Ÿ˜›

2018-06-06 15:12:27 GMT <alfresco-discord> <douglascrp> ok, lunch time

2018-06-06 15:13:47 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> @yreg And BTW - I already asked once in the activiti gitter channel about APS stuff, and they sent me away, because "this is the activiti gitter channel focused on Activiti 7"

2018-06-06 15:15:48 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> Well that's not the experience I had

2018-06-06 15:16:01 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> but I must have been lucky

2018-06-06 15:18:28 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> @AFaust, Look at the bright side, at least they have a good reason not to open its source, not even for partners ๐Ÿ˜›

2018-06-06 15:18:55 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> they don't want to hurt anybody feelings ๐Ÿ˜„

2018-06-06 15:21:28 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> ....and get away with murderous crap bits and pieces

2018-06-06 15:32:37 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> ahhh... found it

2018-06-06 15:33:39 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> There are 3-4 different locations where liquibase is handled in APS, but of course only 1 of those is applicable (out of 2 eligible, depending on config, i.e. single tenant vs. multi-tenant)

2018-06-06 15:40:24 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> Oh... and of course, if multi-tenancy is enabled there are no events when new tenants are added, so no chance to enhance the schema before it is being used...

2018-06-06 15:40:50 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> Luckily this is just a single-tenant customer extension...

2018-06-06 15:52:58 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> It seems like you are having a lot of fun, lucky you

2018-06-06 16:04:55 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> Yeah... and all just to deal with the "licensed user" handling in APS, which - of course - is inconsistent with how they are handled in ACS

2018-06-06 16:05:41 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> Working to record "last login time" of users, so we can setup a job to auto-disable users (sort-of similar to "deauthorise" in ACS) after a certain time...

2018-06-06 16:06:34 GMT <angelborroy> lot of fun for you!

2018-06-06 16:16:53 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AFaust> LOL - the whole schema init / upgrade in APS is not transactional, which is really annoying in dev when it partially fails and you have to manually undo back to the previous state when you do some changes in your liquibase XML

2018-06-06 16:34:44 GMT <fwu> back

2018-06-06 21:28:28 GMT <eswbitto> anyone know if postgres 10 will work with alfresco or should I just stick with 9.4.4

2018-06-06 23:25:25 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> cant say for sure, although would hope it would

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