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2019-03-26 06:15:13 GMT <AFaust> Docker Hub listing of tags for ACA is polluted with lots of development-xxx tags. How to find the list of actual release versions without browsing through hundreds of pages of pointless tags?

2019-03-26 06:15:56 GMT <AFaust> Apparently the current "latest" tag is broken and does not allow to configure ACS_URL anymore (error in startup script), so have to find a working one for a demo system

2019-03-26 06:17:05 GMT <AFaust> ^^ meant "master-latest"

2019-03-26 08:31:25 GMT <alfresco-discord> <dgradecak> @AFaust: did you try using Environment class for the properties?

2019-03-26 08:34:49 GMT <alfresco-discord> <dgradecak> regarding the hackaton I would be interested working on a "transformation server", if we would know that the one Alfresco has will not be for community

2019-03-26 08:35:46 GMT <alfresco-discord> <angel.borroy> Transformation Server is for both Community and Enterprise

2019-03-26 08:36:05 GMT <alfresco-discord> <angel.borroy> Do you really think that Alfresco is removing transformation capabilities from Community????

2019-03-26 08:36:18 GMT <alfresco-discord> <dgradecak> is there an official statement?

2019-03-26 08:36:36 GMT <alfresco-discord> <dgradecak> transformation capabilities "in process" probably will not be removed

2019-03-26 08:36:54 GMT <alfresco-discord> <dgradecak> but I remember that at the devcon it was not completeley clear yet

2019-03-26 08:38:03 GMT <alfresco-discord> <angel.borroy> I'm saying that Transformation Server is (and will be) available in Community

2019-03-26 08:38:42 GMT <alfresco-discord> <angel.borroy> We have to think on how to provide it properly to Community, as it is strongly based in queues and messages for Enterprise

2019-03-26 08:38:46 GMT <alfresco-discord> <angel.borroy> This is the only doubt

2019-03-26 08:39:19 GMT <alfresco-discord> <dgradecak> ok just to make it clear, how is it provided today than?

2019-03-26 08:40:29 GMT <alfresco-discord> <angel.borroy> What version? Last CE?

2019-03-26 08:40:45 GMT <alfresco-discord> <dgradecak> for instance ...

2019-03-26 08:41:56 GMT <alfresco-discord> <angel.borroy> As it was

2019-03-26 08:41:56 GMT <alfresco-discord> <angel.borroy> https://github.com/Alfresco/acs-community-packaging/blob/master/docker-alfresco/Dockerfile

2019-03-26 08:41:57 GMT <alfbot> Title:acs-community-packaging/Dockerfile at master · Alfresco/acs-community-packaging · GitHub (at github.com)

2019-03-26 08:42:13 GMT <alfresco-discord> <angel.borroy> Using JODConverter

2019-03-26 08:42:14 GMT <alfresco-discord> <angel.borroy> https://github.com/Alfresco/acs-community-packaging/blob/master/docker-alfresco/Dockerfile#L84

2019-03-26 08:42:15 GMT <alfbot> Title:acs-community-packaging/Dockerfile at master · Alfresco/acs-community-packaging · GitHub (at github.com)

2019-03-26 08:43:06 GMT <alfresco-discord> <dgradecak> ok, but I mean does it include the messaging and queuing of enterprise or not?

2019-03-26 08:43:14 GMT <alfresco-discord> <angel.borroy> no

2019-03-26 08:43:31 GMT <alfresco-discord> <angel.borroy> this is what is not clear, how to move this thing to Community

2019-03-26 08:43:48 GMT <alfresco-discord> <dgradecak> ok, you are making this a bit ambigous to me 😉

2019-03-26 08:44:15 GMT <alfresco-discord> <angel.borroy> Probably is my English, but it looks clear to me

2019-03-26 08:44:25 GMT <alfresco-discord> <angel.borroy> Now CE has the same Transformer as ever

2019-03-26 08:44:30 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> morning @angel.borroy I put the question to @sbennett to see if he could find out something on this, as we have mqseries bundled in the latest 6.1.2-ga release

2019-03-26 08:44:40 GMT <alfresco-discord> <angel.borroy> But EE has a new Transformer based in queues

2019-03-26 08:44:54 GMT <alfresco-discord> <angel.borroy> In the future this new Transformer will be "migrated" to CE b

2019-03-26 08:45:02 GMT <alfresco-discord> <angel.borroy> But it's not still defined how by now

2019-03-26 08:45:55 GMT <alfresco-discord> <angel.borroy> MQSeries is not on CE for Transformation Server

2019-03-26 08:45:56 GMT <alfresco-discord> <dgradecak> is there a git repo for the transformation server? I mean for CE?

2019-03-26 08:46:35 GMT <alfresco-discord> <angel.borroy> I think that Transformation is part of the repo: https://github.com/Alfresco/alfresco-repository

2019-03-26 08:46:36 GMT <alfbot> Title:GitHub - Alfresco/alfresco-repository: Metadata and content storage for Alfresco Content Services (Community and Enterprise) (at github.com)

2019-03-26 08:46:49 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> oh, thought i saw a presentation on its use for that, ill check

2019-03-26 08:48:59 GMT <alfresco-discord> <dgradecak> @angel.borroy by a git repo I mean the standalone transformation server, the one called "out of process" ?

2019-03-26 08:49:28 GMT <alfresco-discord> <angel.borroy> Do you mean the Enterprise one?

2019-03-26 08:49:48 GMT <alfresco-discord> <angel.borroy> Or the one based on a MSOffice server?

2019-03-26 08:50:02 GMT <alfresco-discord> <dgradecak> the question is, will there for CE be an aout of process transformation server

2019-03-26 08:50:08 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> enterprise transformer server

2019-03-26 08:50:09 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451644531323174914/560022663918125056/unknown.png

2019-03-26 08:50:13 GMT <alfresco-discord> <dgradecak> that uses "libreoffice" etc ...

2019-03-26 08:50:29 GMT <alfresco-discord> <angel.borroy> I don't know the answer

2019-03-26 08:50:38 GMT <alfresco-discord> <angel.borroy> I was telling you this for the last 20 minute

2019-03-26 08:50:46 GMT <alfresco-discord> <dgradecak> so that is what I said I would like to work on the hackoton

2019-03-26 08:50:50 GMT <alfresco-discord> <dgradecak> hackaton

2019-03-26 08:51:22 GMT <alfresco-discord> <angel.borroy> So you want to create a new one, modifying alfresco repository and creating a new transformation server?

2019-03-26 08:51:25 GMT <alfresco-discord> <angel.borroy> In one day?

2019-03-26 08:51:28 GMT <alfresco-discord> <angel.borroy> Wow

2019-03-26 08:51:32 GMT <alfresco-discord> <angel.borroy> I want to see that

2019-03-26 08:52:09 GMT <alfresco-discord> <angel.borroy> @digcat Yes, the new Transformation Service uses ActiveMQ (messages), but CE is not including this Transformation Service by now

2019-03-26 08:54:36 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> hi @angel.borroy thank you for your time to try and answer this, i guess without the clarity Alfresco needs to provide speculation and effort will occur to solve a problem, which ultimately may not be a problem, ie it might be some form of CE version may be released, and if for sure it wont then perhaps community effort can be made to build a CE version to do something akin. It does amaze me how

2019-03-26 08:54:37 GMT <alfresco-discord> Alfresco is expecting Enterprise Customers and Partners to test these shiny new things

2019-03-26 09:18:39 GMT <AFaust> Regarding the transformation discussions earlier: Even if Alfresco provides a CE-variant of the new RenditionsService2 feature in Alfresco 7.x, a project at the next hackathon (and maybe continued afterwards) would still be worth a lot, since we could fill the current gap for Alfresco 6.0, 6.1 - not just with the asynch, out-of-process capability based on queuing, but also just for the regular Docker deployment scenario which

2019-03-26 09:18:39 GMT <AFaust> currently require for CE to have ImageMagick / LibreOffice as part of the repository image

2019-03-26 09:19:28 GMT <AFaust> Only LibreOffice can currently be potentially moved to a different container using JOD, but AFAIK there is no ready-to-use setup / guide for this

2019-03-26 09:20:07 GMT <alfresco-discord> <angel.borroy> I think there is no option to move LibreOffice away using JOD, just using Direct

2019-03-26 09:21:23 GMT <AFaust> Technically, you can use both to move LibreOffice away, since both communicate via ports / sockets...

2019-03-26 09:21:49 GMT <AFaust> I did that with JOD (non-dockerized) at an Enterprise customer in ~2012 or so

2019-03-26 09:21:53 GMT <alfresco-discord> <angel.borroy> Last time I tested, JOD Converter does not supported ootb using an external server

2019-03-26 09:22:37 GMT <AFaust> Maybe not with the default, ootb configuration options...

2019-03-26 09:22:41 GMT <AFaust> But I mean, that is sort of the point...

2019-03-26 09:22:51 GMT <alfresco-discord> <angel.borroy> Agree

2019-03-26 09:23:03 GMT <AFaust> CE has no options for scaling transformations, regardless of "new transformation feature" vs. "old"

2019-03-26 09:23:21 GMT <alfresco-discord> <angel.borroy> And the same for the rest of services

2019-03-26 09:23:29 GMT <AFaust> If Alfresco provides that for version 7.x then fine, but in the meantime, the community has every reason to fill the gap until they do

2019-03-26 09:23:40 GMT <alfresco-discord> <angel.borroy> Sure

2019-03-26 09:24:36 GMT <AFaust> Maybe you can try to educate your new colleagues about considering strategies for CE alongside EE in the beginning, instead of just as an afterthought...

2019-03-26 09:25:12 GMT <AFaust> For the next new features they might be working on...

2019-03-26 09:25:27 GMT <alfresco-discord> <angel.borroy> I'm just starting to understand the whole thing, but it's harder than I imagined

2019-03-26 09:25:51 GMT <alfresco-discord> <angel.borroy> It's not that easy to coordinate efforts with other teams

2019-03-26 09:29:32 GMT <AFaust> Maybe in a few weeks you can give some insight about how much % of work time is "wasted" in internal coordination. I never could get a reasonable answer for that from resplin, but my gut feeling is there is a lot of wasted time / effort at Alfresco...

2019-03-26 09:30:13 GMT <alfresco-discord> <angel.borroy> There is a lot of time, I can say that

2019-03-26 09:30:15 GMT <AFaust> "wasted" as in "lost due to extreme inefficiencies, lack of proper management or teams being given way too much freedom"

2019-03-26 09:30:23 GMT <alfresco-discord> <angel.borroy> But we can always improve that

2019-03-26 09:51:10 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Thijs> for what it is worth, we use a remote remote jodconvertor web service in our standard setups

2019-03-26 09:51:53 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Thijs> once behind a load balancer to scale up

2019-03-26 09:52:21 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Thijs> it should be usable on community

2019-03-26 09:52:44 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Thijs> we are making a schedule on open sourcing things, and I think this might be on the list

2019-03-26 09:53:16 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Thijs> if there is interest, I can ask around

2019-03-26 09:53:23 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Thijs> not using queues though

2019-03-26 09:54:44 GMT <alfresco-discord> <drazen04> Hi guys, i have question regarding workflow. I would like to show only my custom form of my workflow, accessible from an action with button. I want to riproduce in that action the exact behaviour of alfresco "Start Workflow", so with javascript. Someone knows how to do it or how i can look for alfresco's javascript files?

2019-03-26 09:57:05 GMT <alfresco-discord> <drazen04> I already try customizing share-custom-config.xml with the <hidden-workflows> tag hiding all workflow except for mine, but rightly hides in every point workflow is called

2019-03-26 11:37:35 GMT <alfresco-discord> <AHT> Maybe you need to do some work in toolbar.js to remove other options and put your wf there... (not sure)

2019-03-26 11:51:37 GMT <alfresco-discord> <dgradecak> @angel.borroy regarding the transformation server, I think we were not on the same line. But that is all normal 😉

2019-03-26 12:49:25 GMT <alfresco-discord> <ohej> Regarding the whole transform service, I've requested a call with the relevant stakeholders to get some clear communication around it. I'm hoping we'll get together this week. I'll be sure to update everyone once I know more.

2019-03-26 13:01:20 GMT <angelborroy> Test

2019-03-26 13:01:40 GMT <angelborroy> It took me some time to recover my authentified user

2019-03-26 13:01:45 GMT <angelborroy> Now back again at IRC

2019-03-26 13:01:50 GMT <angelborroy> I hate that Discord thing

2019-03-26 13:02:02 GMT <angelborroy> hate > don’t like

2019-03-26 14:24:51 GMT <alfresco-discord> <douglascrp> anyone here able to explain to me how to show custom properties inside the https://www.alfresco.com/abn/adf/docs/content-services/content-metadata.component/

2019-03-26 14:35:56 GMT <angelborroy> hey @douglascrp

2019-03-26 14:36:10 GMT <angelborroy> Have you tried “Aspect oriented config” section?

2019-03-26 17:10:06 GMT <alfresco-discord> <douglascrp> @angel.borroy yes, I saw that, but I could not make it work so far

2019-03-26 17:10:26 GMT <angelborroy> I didn’t try, but I know that there are people using it

2019-03-26 18:04:00 GMT <alfresco-discord> <douglascrp> @angel.borroy I am going to investigate more

2019-03-26 18:04:58 GMT <alfresco-discord> <angel.borroy> You can touch Dennis or Mario at Slack

2019-03-26 18:05:21 GMT <alfresco-discord> <douglascrp> yes, I did so, and Dennis has pointed me to the right docs

2019-03-26 18:05:31 GMT <alfresco-discord> <douglascrp> for sure it is my lack of angular knowledge

2019-03-26 19:12:57 GMT <alfresco-discord> <douglascrp> @angel.borroy well, I was able to present the custom properties, but as I use aspects to define my custom properties, that are reused by multiple custom types, it becomes a problem, as adf shows every aspect as a group you have to expand to see the properties inside of it

2019-03-26 19:13:21 GMT <alfresco-discord> <douglascrp> so, for a custom type with 10 aspect, which could have 15 or more properties, I guess you can imagine how beautiful the UI becomes 😄

2019-03-26 19:13:26 GMT <alfresco-discord> <douglascrp> not useful at all

2019-03-26 19:13:50 GMT <alfresco-discord> <douglascrp> but I guess I am wrong about this, and someone can give me some tips on this

2019-03-26 19:14:41 GMT <alfresco-discord> <douglascrp> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451644531323174914/560179837466312724/unknown.png

2019-03-26 19:14:55 GMT <alfresco-discord> <douglascrp> every arrow there is an aspect

2019-03-26 19:15:24 GMT <alfresco-discord> <douglascrp> and for the edit it is even worse, as one have to expand, click edit (for each property), and then click save

2019-03-26 21:56:38 GMT <AFaust> douglascrp: I don't think you are wrong about this. Using the aspect-based config will get you such a useless layout / view.

2019-03-26 21:56:52 GMT <AFaust> I guess only the layout-oriented config (https://www.alfresco.com/abn/adf/docs/content-services/content-metadata.component/#layout-oriented-config) would yield an acceptable result

2019-03-26 21:59:13 GMT <AFaust> That still is an extremely awkward way of configuring the metadata view. I am missing a simple "list of properties" option without having to always specify type / aspect...

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