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2019-05-07 11:04:27 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> hi @ohej hope your well, so im guessing the bacon idea didnt work with https://issues.alfresco.com/jira/browse/REPO-4320
2019-05-07 11:09:05 GMT <alfresco-discord> <ohej> Unfortunately nothing yet
2019-05-07 11:10:57 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> you need a stronger incentive I guess
2019-05-07 11:13:36 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> suggestions ?
2019-05-07 11:13:42 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> hard cash ?
2019-05-07 11:18:22 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Thijs> @digcat I'll give it a vote
2019-05-07 11:18:31 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> thanks 😃
2019-05-07 11:19:17 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Thijs> I doubt that the impact will be tremendous
2019-05-07 11:19:22 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> indeed
2019-05-07 11:19:41 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Thijs> it's only fake open source if it doesn't build
2019-05-07 11:20:01 GMT <AFaust> I always ask my customers if they'd be willing to hire a Russian ice hockey team to fly to UK / USA to "convince" the relevant people to take their issues seriously. I don't know if it would be a valid incentive to use that same sentiment as incentive to internal staff...
2019-05-07 11:20:41 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> ahh nice, thank you @bhagyas IRC back in 😃
2019-05-07 11:21:17 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> and yes perhaps a suggestion like that, what others maybe we can crowd source some ideas
2019-05-07 11:21:41 GMT <AFaust> I used to use this mock / exaggerated question primarily in relation to Microsoft issues in the beginning, but have increasingly used it with regards to Alfresco Support tickets in the recent past.
2019-05-07 11:22:51 GMT <AFaust> ...more so since I no longer have to deal with Support myself, and no longer feel "obligated" (as a partner) to cover for their crap / "present a united front"
2019-05-07 11:23:26 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> I never felt that obligation 😛
2019-05-07 11:26:23 GMT <AFaust> For me it was a natural obligation out of the professional relationship. Much like in a personal relationship, you don't air out the grievances you personally have with your partner in public / in front of your kids...
2019-05-07 11:28:31 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> @ohej was there just no interest, or was it more like a deliberate situation ? i mean is it ever likely to be fixed ?
2019-05-07 11:41:28 GMT <alfresco-discord> <ohej> This is not a deliberate situation, no one is actively trying to make the build fail. It will be fixed, but the only thing I can say is that it boils down to priorities. It's on the backlog, and now it's "just" a matter of getting it prioritised, which unfortunately is out of my hands, but I can poke people until they get tired of me 😛
2019-05-07 11:42:46 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> thank you, who should we poke from this end, previously i think Richard would go into bat, but were struggling these days
2019-05-07 12:42:33 GMT <alfresco-discord> <ohej> @digcat @sbennett would be in a better position to do something. Maybe @Francesco Corti since he's on the product team (I moved over to marketing last year)
2019-05-07 12:56:13 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> ahh yes, ok, so perhaps in marketing you can stress why its important to be Open source 😃 Nasa after all used the community versions as well as enterprise
2019-05-07 12:57:55 GMT <angelborroy> So there is an open position for Developer Evangelist, as it was unassigned since Francesco left
2019-05-07 13:30:58 GMT <AFaust> angelborroy Though apparently no one is looking for someone to fill the role (outside of Alfresco) according to https://jobs.lever.co/alfresco
2019-05-07 13:30:59 GMT <alfbot> Title:Alfresco (at jobs.lever.co)
2019-05-07 13:31:15 GMT <angelborroy> I were ironic, you know
2019-05-07 13:31:38 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> @digcat I'm in a call... reply asap
2019-05-07 13:32:29 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> hehe, lots of roles, notibly none for community engagement
2019-05-07 13:32:33 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Francesco Corti> About the Evangelist... also Kristen is on maternity leave 😦
2019-05-07 13:32:40 GMT <AFaust> angelborroy That was far from obvious..
2019-05-07 13:32:51 GMT <angelborroy> But Kristen is not “Evangelist” (afaik)
2019-05-07 13:32:55 GMT <angelborroy> Or is she?
2019-05-07 13:33:06 GMT <alfresco-discord> <digcat> yeah thats news if she is ?
2019-05-07 13:33:22 GMT <AFaust> So ok then, I understand that then that there is no open position because it no longer exists after Francesco's shift...
2019-05-07 13:33:36 GMT <angelborroy> btw AFaust, I’m writing a new script to generate that SSL certificates nightmare
2019-05-07 13:33:49 GMT <angelborroy> We are moving from this in the (near) future, but it was broken
2019-05-07 13:35:19 GMT <AFaust> SSL certificates for what? SOLR? Is anyone still using SSL-encrypted communication with SOLR?
2019-05-07 13:35:34 GMT <angelborroy> I tried to explain the same
2019-05-07 13:35:38 GMT <angelborroy> nobody believed me
2019-05-07 13:35:44 GMT <AFaust> And if so, using awful, self-signed certificates...
2019-05-07 13:35:57 GMT <angelborroy> So next release of Search Services will be released using SSL by default
2019-05-07 13:36:11 GMT <angelborroy> I’m creating a Docker Compose sample for going back to HTTP
2019-05-07 13:36:52 GMT <AFaust> Why prepare a sample for that. That should just be one env to be set, like SOLR_USE_SOLR=false - done!
2019-05-07 13:37:01 GMT <AFaust> sorry, SOLR_USE_SSL =false
2019-05-07 13:37:15 GMT <angelborroy> It’s not that easy
2019-05-07 13:37:23 GMT <AFaust> Then make it easy...
2019-05-07 13:37:28 GMT <angelborroy> I’m trying
2019-05-07 13:37:45 GMT <angelborroy> But SOLR is using internal env variables and it’s not so clean
2019-05-07 13:38:01 GMT <AFaust> Well, that's why it matches well with Alfresco. Neither are clean...
2019-05-07 13:38:28 GMT <angelborroy> By now I have to override solr.in.sh file
2019-05-07 13:38:43 GMT <angelborroy> But I’m trying to convince someone to provide an SSL and a non-SSL Docker Images
2019-05-07 13:39:01 GMT <AFaust> But you guys can always use a custom entrypoint script to dynamically modify solr.in.sh based on any custom env you add to simplify configuration
2019-05-07 13:39:30 GMT <angelborroy> yep
2019-05-07 13:39:35 GMT <angelborroy> this is the other way
2019-05-07 13:39:41 GMT <angelborroy> do you prefer this one?
2019-05-07 13:40:04 GMT <AFaust> I mean, if I, a single, lonely developer in a small, powerless company can do so, surely a competent team of engineers at a long(er) existing, large company can...
2019-05-07 13:41:22 GMT <AFaust> I prefer anything which is "simple+smart" - unfortunately so far, devs (or product managers approving resources) have almost always chosen "simple" over "smart"
2019-05-07 13:42:04 GMT <angelborroy> by now I have a shell script to provide required certificates based in openssl + keytool
2019-05-07 13:42:05 GMT <AFaust> So yeah, if the default is "unclean", then provide a custom entrypoint script to make it clean. Alfresco is alresady doing it for Share and ACA anyway, so why not standardise that pattern for all Docker images
2019-05-07 13:42:41 GMT <angelborroy> And I tweaked SOLR to provide an external folder with all this trash
2019-05-07 13:49:46 GMT <AFaust> I hope you are not forcing a mount for this. I hate how Docker auto-creates volumes for any mounts I have not assigned explicitly because I am not using the feature that would use that mount, and have recently begun to remove all the optional mount points from my own images.
2019-05-07 13:50:06 GMT <angelborroy> No need to mount that
2019-05-07 13:50:22 GMT <angelborroy> Only when used
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