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2019-10-10 06:01:16 GMT <alfresco-discord> <dgradecak> morning guys, is alf 4.2 the last version with jbpm?
2019-10-10 06:17:55 GMT <alfresco-discord> <MorganP> I believe so
2019-10-10 06:21:27 GMT <alfresco-discord> <dgradecak> I have been asked to upgrade a 4.0 instance, that has custom jbpm workflows and no idea what to suggest 😄 if it would have been 2-6 workflows redoing them would be ok, but there is 14
2019-10-10 06:22:18 GMT <alfresco-discord> <MorganP> However in the 5.0 doc, there are still references to jBPM, which were removed on 5.1
2019-10-10 06:22:33 GMT <alfresco-discord> <MorganP> I thought it was 4.2 the latest but maybe it was removed only on 5.0+
2019-10-10 06:22:47 GMT <alfresco-discord> <dgradecak> I also thought it was 4.2
2019-10-10 06:23:09 GMT <alfresco-discord> <dgradecak> I am sure Angel will know exactly when he wokes up 😉
2019-10-10 06:29:37 GMT <alfresco-discord> <Thijs> @bhagyas Can you put that info in a github ticket?
2019-10-10 07:51:08 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> @dgradecak I believe it was disabled by default in 5.0 and only removed later
2019-10-10 07:51:58 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> but IMHO, if it is a bunch of small document-centric flows (count doesn't really matter) then redoing all of them in embedded activiti makes sense !
2019-10-10 07:53:31 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> otherwise I would recommend going for Camunda or flowable (provided you can't wait for Activiti Cloud to catch up and have feature parity with them)
2019-10-10 09:38:32 GMT <alfresco-discord> <dgradecak> hi @yreg, I agree, that is a discussion I would like to have, to see what are the "community" options. One thing that I am missing is starting a worklow on a document, when it is not embedded. I tested and used flowable and as you know it is the same as APS 1.9 for instance
2019-10-10 09:38:50 GMT <alfresco-discord> <dgradecak> caumnda, 6-7 years ago, I did not have a good production experience
2019-10-10 09:39:19 GMT <alfresco-discord> <dgradecak> even if it is an activit fork
2019-10-10 09:40:42 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> you can not compare Camunda from 6 years ago to its current status
2019-10-10 09:41:29 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> also flowable took a lot of maturity since it got forked, and make no mistake, APS 1.x is based on the v5 engine while Flowable is based on the v6 engine
2019-10-10 09:41:41 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> so there are quite a lot of changes
2019-10-10 09:41:59 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> it might as well be interesting for you to check this solution : https://bitbucket.org/citeck/ecos-community/src/master/
2019-10-10 09:42:00 GMT <alfbot> Title:Bitbucket (at bitbucket.org)
2019-10-10 09:42:02 GMT <alfresco-discord> <dgradecak> the engine is fine, I was talking about the "free" apps
2019-10-10 09:42:21 GMT <alfresco-discord> <yreg> the comany seems to have invested quite some effort to support embedded flowable inside of Alfresco 😉
2019-10-10 09:42:41 GMT <alfresco-discord> <dgradecak> yeah, I am not interested by something like that, I know ecos
2019-10-10 09:46:00 GMT <alfresco-discord> <dgradecak> I also did a POC of using ADF and creating the same API as APS has for flowable
2019-10-10 09:46:16 GMT <alfresco-discord> <dgradecak> and as a POC it works
2019-10-10 09:47:08 GMT <alfresco-discord> <dgradecak> and I wonder how other people do "workflows" today, especially in alf community
2019-10-10 09:47:24 GMT <alfresco-discord> <dgradecak> workflows on top of documents of course, not standalone
2019-10-10 11:34:04 GMT <CptLuxx> mr AFaust
2019-10-10 11:34:13 GMT <CptLuxx> your still active here?
2019-10-10 11:36:19 GMT <AFaust> Yes - though since discussions have been slow on most days recently, its mostly running in the background, and I might skim the logs in the evening.
2019-10-10 11:38:01 GMT <AFaust> Though I have been on a short vacation and then "knocked out" sick after that (darn those special, small children germs) the last couple of days, so I have been extra unattentive.
2019-10-10 11:39:04 GMT <AFaust> If you are inquiring about a particular mail I should have got - I got it and it is in my queue of items to catch up on
2019-10-10 11:39:32 GMT <CptLuxx> ha
2019-10-10 11:39:46 GMT <CptLuxx> thats what i was going to ask because he asked me if i know whats wrong
2019-10-10 11:39:48 GMT <CptLuxx> :P
2019-10-10 11:40:23 GMT <alfresco-discord> <dgradecak> AFaust: while you are there, do you have any opinion on the stuff yreg and I said? 😉
2019-10-10 13:31:27 GMT <AFaust> dgradecak: Seems I left to quickly to refocus on my list of things to catch up on to get your ping. And the relayed mentions from Discord don't appear to have the same effect as direct mentions in my IRC client. They are highlighted, but get no notification on the task bar
2019-10-10 13:33:18 GMT <AFaust> I have not really worked with Camunda or Flowable lately to have a strong opinion either way.
2019-10-10 13:33:52 GMT <AFaust> Obviously, considering long term strategy, I would also focus on an external engine.
2019-10-10 13:35:42 GMT <AFaust> No matter if Flowable, Camunda or Activiti, the key point of failure / success of any integration will be a proper, process specific, transactional ReST API. I have yet to encounter those absolutely trivial (as in "brain-dead") processes that work 100% with the limited functionality of any of the default APIs, be it CMIS or Public v1 ReST...
2019-10-10 13:37:24 GMT <AFaust> "Process-specific" does not have to mean "for individual processes", but focussed around the common use cases of granular (reusable) process service tasks, allowing for atomic bulk operations...
2019-10-10 15:12:23 GMT <alfresco-discord> <EricLemanissier> Hi guys, Where can the sources of alfresco docker images be found ? (eg https://hub.docker.com/r/alfresco/alfresco-search-services)
2019-10-10 15:12:24 GMT <alfbot> Title:Docker Hub (at hub.docker.com)
2019-10-10 15:18:27 GMT <alfresco-discord> <EricLemanissier> found it! https://github.com/Alfresco/SearchServices/blob/master/search-services/packaging/src/docker/Dockerfile thanks
2019-10-10 15:18:28 GMT <alfbot> Title:SearchServices/Dockerfile at master · Alfresco/SearchServices · GitHub (at github.com)
2019-10-10 18:00:27 GMT <alfresco-discord> <dgradecak> AFaust: I think either of the engines are comparable, as far as I had used them, the only issue that I am trying to get my head around is actually about "document actions" within a process. A client for some reason decided to drive everything from within the process engine and use the internal limited document storage solution, and just at the end of the process send it to the repository. Taht is a
2019-10-10 18:00:27 GMT <alfresco-discord> legit way of course
2019-10-10 18:01:27 GMT <alfresco-discord> <dgradecak> but it sounds as duplicating documents/storage etc ... however what I do miss in community versions of the engines is a "widget" to select a document from alfresco (either cmis or whatever) for instance
2019-10-10 18:02:30 GMT <alfresco-discord> <dgradecak> even if each project is different, would it be process centric or document centric, does the process create a document or does a document creates a process, there must be somehow some kind of "best practice"
2019-10-10 18:03:42 GMT <alfresco-discord> <dgradecak> but I am not able to get my hands on that and I wonder at this moment in this situation alfresco is, what others are doing with community versions. Although I am not sure what activiti cloud will bring either
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